cc: "'Phil Jones'"
, "'Gabi Hegerl'"
date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 17:22:14 +0000
from: Keith Briffa
subject: RE: Collaboration
to: ,
Hi Simon (and others)
I have to say that this is what I had envisaged was "our" plan ,
following our earlier discussions with Simon and Philip Brohan. I do
think this is a good idea , with the special focus on the period of
the early instrumental data , perhaps even more than on the earlier
data. The project could include more concentration on the
identification and separation of "natural" dynamics-related climate
changes from anthropogenically- forced changes , using multiple GCM
experiments and possibly EMIC runs. This would also require a much
more elaborate scheme of exploring different proxy , instrumental ,
and joint proxy plus instrumental reconstructions and errors (my
preference would be for a "European and US window ") , based on
reanalyses and critical review of the existing reconstructions and
repeat reconstruction exercises where we can better constrain the
differences in method . However, how much of this is now foreseen in
your current application I do not know. Either way, you know that a
joint , multi-institutional proposal is OK with me.
Hope all is going well for you and that the family are well
Keith
At 11:54 25/11/2007, Simon Tett wrote:
>
>Hi Tim (With Keith added to the CC list). One thing we could think about is
>a consortium bid -- there is a lot of 19th century data to be digitised,
>worked up and used in model intercomparision work as well as paleo
>intercomparision. I'm working on a consortium bid for next June in another
>area but perhaps we could start working our ideas up for such a thing for
>Dec 2008 or June 2009. (June 2009 feels more sensible as I should have a
>better idea of how various projects are going by then...).
>
>You could invite me to visit UEA to give you a seminar as well.....
>
>S
>
>Simon Tett
>Chair of Earth System Dynamics
>School of Geosciences
>The University of Edinburgh
>Tel:+44-(0)131-650-5341
>Fax: +44 (0)131 668 3184
>email:simon.tett@ed.ac.uk
>Room 351, Grant Institute,
>The King's Buildings,
>West Mains Road, Edinburgh EH9 3JW
>UK
>http://www.geos.ed.ac.uk/people/person.html?indv=1592
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Tim Osborn [mailto:t.osborn@uea.ac.uk]
>Sent: 23 November 2007 17:40
>To: Gabi Hegerl; simon.tett@ed.ac.uk
>Cc: Phil Jones; t.osborn@uea.ac.uk
>Subject: Re: Collaboration
>
>Dear Simon and Gabi,
>
>I've not been able to reply till now as we're out at Ed Cook's for
>Thanksgiving!
>
>I've now had a quick glance through the draft proposal and it certainly
>sounds very interesting. And given that you've both (especially Simon) been
>very supportive to our projects in the past, then of course I'd be happy to
>help you out with some collaboration.
>
>As you'd probably expect, however, we (Keith & I) have related plans to work
>in similar directions and plan future proposals in this area. This won't
>stop me being a collaborator on your proposal, but it would be nice to get
>something back -- e.g., use of the simulated data that you will generate at
>an appropriate time (for collaborative work/papers with you both, of
>course).
>
>Anyway, I'll be in on Monday and I'll sign the letter then that Phil has
>written. Do you need anything more specific from me about the work Thomas
>has done with HadCM3?
>
>Cheers
>
>Tim
>
>
>On Wed, November 21, 2007 10:48 pm, Gabi Hegerl wrote:
> > Phil, I attach a draft, it still needs huge amounts of work.
> > (and its way too long).
> > But maybe it gives you an idea of what we are trying to do...
> >
> > If you are interested, all we'd need is a letter saying you are happy
> > to collaborate with us on this and will share data with us.
> >
> > Gabi
> >
> > Quoting Phil Jones :
> >
> >>
> >> Simon,
> >> Sounds interesting. Tim is in the US at the moment - back Monday.
> >> I'm here Monday, but then away the rest of the week.
> >>
> >> Do you have any text yet? Deadline for these is Dec 1 if I recall.
> >>
> >> Cheers
> >> Phil
> >>
> >>
> >> At 17:01 20/11/2007, Simon Tett wrote:
> >>> Dear Phil & Tim,
> >>> Gabi and I and thinking of submitting a proposal to NERC called
> >>> "Causes of hemispheric and regional climate change over the last
> >>> Millennium".
> >>> We
> >>> plan to simulate the last millennium using hadcm3 to see if we need
> >>> the sun then from 1500 to present do an ensemble of four with volc.
> >>> Only & volc
> >>> +
> >>> solar. Other innovations are a run with constant 1000 forcing to
> >>> estimate the adjustment. We would also spin of ensembles from 1750
> >>> to 2000 with various different anthropogenic forcings.
> >>>
> >>> So would you be interested in collaborating? -- Phil to provide
> >>> early instrumental data and Tim to communicate the results of his
> >>> international RAPID project. Gabi also wants to have a reference to
> >>> a paper on rapid Scandinavian climate change.
> >>>
> >>> S
> >>>
> >>> Simon Tett
> >>> Chair of Earth System Dynamics
> >>> School of Geosciences
> >>> The University of Edinburgh
> >>> Tel:+44-(0)131-650-5341
> >>> Fax: +44 (0)131 668 3184
> >>> email:simon.tett@ed.ac.uk
> >>> Room 351, Grant Institute,
> >>> The King's Buildings,
> >>> West Mains Road, Edinburgh EH9 3JW
> >>> UK
> >>> http://www.geos.ed.ac.uk/people/person.html?indv=1592
> >>
> >> Prof. Phil Jones
> >> Climatic Research Unit Telephone +44 (0) 1603 592090
> >> School of Environmental Sciences Fax +44 (0) 1603 507784
> >> University of East Anglia
> >> Norwich Email p.jones@uea.ac.uk
> >> NR4 7TJ
> >> UK
> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> -------
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Gabriele Hegerl
> > School of GeoSciences
> > University of Edinburgh
> > http://www.geos.ed.ac.uk/people/person.html?indv=1613
> >
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> > Scotland, with registration number SC005336.
> >
> >
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Climatic Research Unit
University of East Anglia
Norwich, NR4 7TJ, U.K.
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