cc: Keith Briffa ,jason.lowe@metoffice.gov.uk, jonathan.gregory@metoffice.gov.uk date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 17:01:18 +0100 from: Tim Osborn subject: Re: Simulation data, missing 1900 trend? to: Alex Wright , Orson van de PLassche Hi Alex, As far as I know the data are correct. The sea level patterns came from Jason Lowe, and I guess Jonathan Gregory was also involved in diagnosing them from the HadCM3 model. But the extraction/manipulation of the data is all my doing, so blame me not them if I've done something wrong. However I have followed instructions from Jason in doing this, so hopefully I have done it ok. I have included the global thermal expansion and global glacier melt changes in the regional/local data that I sent you. I have computed zonal means of sea level change from 'nat' and 'all', and plotted these (and also plotted 'all' minus 'nat' to isolate the anthropogenic component, 'anthro'). PDFs of these three are attached. All changes are expressed as anomalies from the 1500-1549 mean of the 'nat' run (with 'all' adjusted to have the same local means as 'nat' over the 1750-1799 period). You will see that in the 'all' zonal means, there is a clear and strong rise in sea level between 60S and 50N. Little increase is simulated south of 60S (and I asked Jason why there is data at the South Pole, but he didn't reply... of course we should just ignore those values!). However, you will see that there is little overall trend between 55N and 80N, which of course if where most of the data I sent you have come from! It is higher than the 1500-1549 mean after 1980, but no higher than the 1850-1900 period, which is why there appears to be little sea level rise. Whether the multi-decadal large variations in sea level in these northern mid to high latitudes are caused by regional oceanic warming and cooling due to either (i) regional sulphate aerosol cooling; or (ii) internal variations of the ocean circulation; or (iii) errors in model or data extraction, I cannot tell. I think probably not (iii) [thought Jason I did raise some queries about the global-mean of the pattern files showing larger variations than I expected, which you were going to check when you had time]. The 'nat' zonal means show multi-decadal variations in this region, whether due to internal ocean circulation changes or volcanic/solar forcing I don't know (I'd guess at the former). So it is probably ok. And the time series I extracted for you are consistent with the zonal mean of the data. Such is the difficulty of interpreting *regional* sea level changes I guess. I look forward to hearing how you interpret the comparison of these changes with your palaeo and tide gauge series! Cheers Tim At 14:11 28/06/2006, you wrote: >HI Simon, > >Have you looked at the simulation data at all? >It is almost as if the sea-level trend from 1900 is missing from >these regional simulations, when compared to the global mean sea >level change.... >I guess I need to know if the glacier melt model is included etc... >Would you happen to know who submitted these runs to the database? >I think I should check with them first before spending days (which I >don't have) assimilating the data > >Cheers >Alex Attachment Converted: "c:\eudora\attach\slzon_all.pdf" Attachment Converted: "c:\eudora\attach\slzon_anthro.pdf" Attachment Converted: "c:\eudora\attach\slzon_nat.pdf" Dr Timothy J Osborn, Academic Fellow Climatic Research Unit School of Environmental Sciences, University of East Anglia Norwich NR4 7TJ, UK e-mail: t.osborn@uea.ac.uk phone: +44 1603 592089 fax: +44 1603 507784 web: http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/~timo/ sunclock: http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/~timo/sunclock.htm **Norwich -- City for Science: **Hosting the BA Festival 2-9 September 2006