date: Thu May 5 17:48:42 2005 from: Phil Jones subject: Re: Sections 3.5-3.7 to: Kevin Trenberth Kevin, At least we have similar worries re the sections that require most work. I'll email Albert and see if he can send me anything by end of tomorrow. I believe I booked the more expensive room, but haven't had any sort of confirmation. I'll find out on Sunday morning, so see you Monday at breakfast and we'll sort out what we can usefully do. The areas could be different for 35-65N as David's goes further north. I don't reckon there should be any differences between 10-20N, unless parts of the Caribbean do/don't get included. Need to check where the Atlantic ends. If you don't do it carefully you could get a bit of the Pacific in near Panama if the whole Caribbean is in. Cheers Phil At 17:34 05/05/2005, you wrote: Hi Phil I have gone thru 3.7 and made a version that agrees with the cuts of Jim and mine. I'll make that available. It is about 5 pp and there are some areas for discussion. The problem is that there are major things missing. I found about a dozen papers on Indian rainfall and monsoon trends and 1976 shift etc that ought to be discussed. At present there are 29 refs to be deleted. I have highlighted them all in the list. I am concerned about 3.3. I think the discussion on Marengo's work highlights the need to not use just one precip dataset but use several and expose differences: like in temperature with GISS, NCDC and HadCRU. Your data and GPCP ought to be considered as much as NCDC stuff. I have been disappointed Dave has not been more responsive. Also I have not gotten to 3.8 and I am quite worried about that. There are several NCAR people on the same flight I am on. I will leave here 7:15 a.m saturday and arrive 4:55 pm sunday. The flight is 13 hours from San Francisco and of course I have an extra flight to get there. So I expect to be bushed. On monday I think we ought to plan for a solid half day of work but also a few hours to go out and about. I have no plans at the present. I am trying to get an upgraded room but can't get the Chinese to respond!!! See you in Beijing Kevin Phil Jones wrote: Kevin, Just had a brief look at your 3.7 reductions and those that Jim sent. There is some agreement on the cuts you've both made. You've also cut it from 7 to 5pp, which is good. Jim's also made cuts to the other two sections. With Martin stating we are 50% over we probably need more, but I'd like to think that 20-25% over can be accommodated somehow. Many of our figures could go smaller, if all the figures were to be on a web site where people could get larger figures. I've not hassled Dave Easterling about 3.3 except wrt figures. It was a little counter productive last time, but I think we will need to bring some more pressure to bear. Albert is supposed to be having a go now at 3.8. He's been getting off a paper from the Central/South Asian workshop we had in Feb in Pune. That is back with the numerous authors now, but is in good shape. He should have had this week on 3.8, but I've heard nothing, except that he's on a flight on Sunday from Europe. So he'll not be with us on the Monday. Just heard that Peter Thorne's HadAT paper has been accepted. Revision accepted in 48hrs by JGR. Editor said major revision (like your GRL paper), but this was major. Can't have gone back to reviewers ! We all arrive on May 8 at 08.35 at Beijing Apt. Will look around if able that day, but if you're in the hotel by 8pm (I think you said you get in about 5pm) give me a call. Otherwise, I'll likely be up early, so see you at breakfast and we can figure out where we can do some work on the 9th. WGI people will be registering from 10am, so maybe they can help if we are more than just us. Cheers Phil Prof. Phil Jones Climatic Research Unit Telephone +44 (0) 1603 592090 School of Environmental Sciences Fax +44 (0) 1603 507784 University of East Anglia Norwich Email p.jones@uea.ac.uk NR4 7TJ UK ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- **************** Kevin E. Trenberth e-mail: trenbert@ucar.edu Climate Analysis Section, NCAR [1]www.cgd.ucar.edu/cas/ P. O. Box 3000, (303) 497 1318 Boulder, CO 80307 (303) 497 1333 (fax) Street address: 1850 Table Mesa Drive, Boulder, CO 80303 Prof. Phil Jones Climatic Research Unit Telephone +44 (0) 1603 592090 School of Environmental Sciences Fax +44 (0) 1603 507784 University of East Anglia Norwich Email p.jones@uea.ac.uk NR4 7TJ UK ----------------------------------------------------------------------------