date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 17:45:18 -0500 from: Henry Pollack subject: Re: [Wg1-ar4-ch06] SOD boreholes to: Keith Briffa , Jonathan Overpeck Hi Keith and Peck, Attached is the revised borehole piece, with some explicit mention of uncertainty and some slight rephrasing in the first paragraph. Cheers, Henry ___ ___ Henry N. Pollack [ \ / ] Professor of Geophysics | \/ | Department of Geological Sciences |MICHIGAN| University of Michigan [___]\/[___] Ann Arbor, Michigan 48109-1005, U.S.A. Phone: 734-763-0084 FAX: 734-763-4690 e-mail: hpollack@umich.edu URL: www.geo.lsa.umich.edu/~hpollack/ URL: www-personal.umich.edu/~hpollack/book.html Quoting Henry Pollack : > > Hi Keith and Peck, > > OK, I will add a sentence about uncertainty, confidence limits of the > borehole reconstruction. Keith, please send me the change you made > 'at the end' (mentioned in your message below), so I can see the best > place to add the uncertainty sentence. > > Cheers, > Henry > > > ___ ___ Henry N. Pollack > [ \ / ] Professor of Geophysics > | \/ | Department of Geological Sciences > |MICHIGAN| University of Michigan > [___]\/[___] Ann Arbor, Michigan 48109-1005, U.S.A. > > Phone: 734-763-0084 FAX: 734-763-4690 > e-mail: hpollack@umich.edu > URL: www.geo.lsa.umich.edu/~hpollack/ > URL: www-personal.umich.edu/~hpollack/book.html > > > Quoting Keith Briffa : > >> Henry >> I understood that the previous draft was in fact going to CAs , so >> sorry if you were out of the loop for a while. I am really happy >> with your text , but would like some mention of the uncertainty to >> go back in as we can not but the confidence limits in the Figure. >> Could reconsider those one or two sentences that deal with this?I >> have only changed one sentence a the end to make it read easier. >> Thanks for this . >> Keith >> # At 22:03 12/02/2006, you wrote: >> >>> Hi Peck, Eystein and Keith, >>> >>> Attached in Borehole SOD.doc is a 'rewrite' of the borehole stuff. >>> You will recognize the 'rewrite', as it still addresses everything >>> in >>> the FOD draft sent to me, with much the same language. It is, >>> however, an improvement in >>> structure, and has a more balanced discussion. Keith, if you want >>> more insight into why I >>> have presented the material this way, I'll be happy to elaborate. >>> >>> The rewrite occupies lines 32-57 of page 6-30 SOD and lines 1-12 of >>> page 6-31. >>> >>> Also attached is the full SOD template with the 'rewrite' and >>> references inserted. It is not clear from your instructions that >>> you wanted this to be done, but now you have it if you want it. >>> >>> Also attached are my replies to the reviewers of the FOD. >>> >>> I am sending everything today (Sunday), so everyone will get it as >>> early as possible. >>> >>> Some additional comments in areas outside the narrowly defined >>> 'borehole' section: >>> >>> In Figure 6.9b, I recommend removing the instrumental record prior >>> to 1860, because it >>> apparently represents only four European stations. The figure is >>> captioned to represent >>> the entire northern hemisphere. >>> >>> In section 6.6.2 Southern Hemisphere Temperature Variability page >>> 6-32, lines 56-57: The >>> two geothermal reconstructions shown, for southern Africa and >>> Australia, do NOT indicate >>> unusually warm conditions prevailing in the 20th century. Both >>> reconstructions miss the >>> rapid warming in the last two decades of the 20th century because >>> many of the boreholes >>> were logged prior to that excursion. The two reconstructions do >>> match well the pre-1980 >>> SAT trends. I discuss this in a paper now in review by J. >>> Quaternary Sci., titled "Five >>> centuries of climate change in Australia: the view from >>> underground." The southern >>> hemisphere is NOT discussed in Pollack and Smerdon (2004), which >>> you have cited there. >>> >>> If you will find it helpful, I can scan the entire chapter and >>> provide comments, but >>> perhaps that could wait until you have passed the immediate >>> deadline in front of you. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Henry >>> >>> >>> ___ ___ Henry N. Pollack >>> [ \ / ] Professor of Geophysics >>> | \/ | Department of Geological Sciences >>> |MICHIGAN| University of Michigan >>> [___]\/[___] Ann Arbor, Michigan 48109-1005, U.S.A. >>> >>> Phone: 734-763-0084 FAX: 734-763-4690 >>> e-mail: hpollack@umich.edu >>> URL: www.geo.lsa.umich.edu/~hpollack/ >>> URL: www-personal.umich.edu/~hpollack/book.html >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> Quoting Jonathan Overpeck : >>> >>>> Hi Henry - yes, it's true, but that's why we all get things done. Thanks. >>>> >>>> We have a serious space problem with the chapter, and need to >>>> generally reduce it's size. However, if you nee a couple more >>>> lines to do it well, and to get the proper refs in there (there >>>> are undoubtedly new ones?), you may do so. We can always cut >>>> later... (so don't add more than just a few lines max). >>>> >>>> As soon as you're done, pls email to me, Eystein and Keith. The >>>> sooner Keith can finish the complete section, the sooner we can >>>> all look at it and edit. >>>> >>>> The NAS/NRC mtg is at a crappy time. I can't travel then since I'm >>>> alone w/ the kids, but I've been discussing helping by phone if >>>> possible. The problem is that March 3 (the day they really want my >>>> input) is the deadline for the SOD. If it's anything like last >>>> time (FOD), I won't have time but for a quick trip to the bathroom >>>> now and then to recycle coffee. But, I'm glad to hear you're in >>>> the loop. I might still be able to help, since we're trying to do >>>> this so it isn't a madhouse at the very end. >>>> >>>> Best, peck >>>> >>>>> Hi Peck, >>>>> >>>>> Yes, I will be working weekends -- don't we always?? >>>>> >>>>> Are you attending the NAS/NRC hearing on surface temperature >>>>> reconstructions on March 2? >>>>> >>>>> I will take you up on the invitation to (re)write the 40 lines of the >>>>> borehole section. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Henry >>>>> ___ ___ Henry N. Pollack >>>>> [ \ / ] Professor of Geophysics >>>>> | \/ | Department of Geological Sciences >>>>> |MICHIGAN| University of Michigan >>>>> [___]\/[___] Ann Arbor, Michigan 48109-1005, U.S.A. >>>>> >>>>> Phone: 734-763-0084 FAX: 734-763-4690 >>>>> e-mail: hpollack@umich.edu >>>>> URL: www.geo.lsa.umich.edu/~hpollack/ >>>>> URL: www-personal.umich.edu/~hpollack/book.html >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Quoting Jonathan Overpeck : >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Henry - see the notes below on how to best update your section >>>>>> using the attached files (and comments you already have). >>>>>> >>>>>> Julie is flying to Germany tomorrow, so I'll be single-parenting and >>>>>> my email will be at night on the weekend. If you have urgent need for >>>>>> input, you can call me: >>>>>> >>>>>> 970-728-0780 (home) >>>>>> 520-907-6480 (cell - only good if I'm in town - best to use home on >>>>>> weekends, and cell weekdays) >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks again, peck >>>>>> >>>>>>> X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 >>>>>>> Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 08:59:33 +0100 >>>>>>> To: wg1-ar4-ch06@joss.ucar.edu >>>>>>> From: Eystein Jansen >>>>>>> Subject: [Wg1-ar4-ch06] SOD- template and FOD document >>>>>>> X-BeenThere: wg1-ar4-ch06@joss.ucar.edu >>>>>>> List-Id: >>>>>>> List-Help: >>>>>>> List-Post: >>>>>>> List-Subscribe: >>>>>>> , >>>>>>> >>>>>>> List-Archive: >>>>>>> List-Unsubscribe: >>>>>>> , >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sender: wg1-ar4-ch06-bounces@joss.ucar.edu >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Dear friends, >>>>>>> In preparation for your rewriting of the FOD as SOD, we send you >>>>>>> the following documents. >>>>>>> 1. A new template for the FOD which is restructured so that the >>>>>>> decisions on structure we made in Christchurch have been taken into >>>>>>> account. We also send you the word version of the FOD which is the >>>>>>> final version used for the review, in case you do not have this. >>>>>>> This is the version for which the comments refer to. >>>>>>> In the rewriting we would ask you to rewrite into the SOD template >>>>>>> document, thus: >>>>>>> 1. Find the relevant comment or section to be rewritten in the FOD. >>>>>>> 2. Then the corresponding section in the SOD document, and rewrrite >>>>>>> the text there. References should also be inserted into the SOD >>>>>>> document. >>>>>>> You have to work in parallel with both documents, but we do not see >>>>>>> any way around this in order to arrive at a SOD without too many >>>>>>> problems of technical sort. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cheers, and best luck. >>>>>>> Peck and Eystein >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>>>>> Eystein Jansen >>>>>>> Professor/Director >>>>>>> Bjerknes Centre for Climate Research and >>>>>>> Dep. of Earth Science, Univ. of Bergen >>>>>>> Allégaten 55 >>>>>>> N-5007 Bergen >>>>>>> NORWAY >>>>>>> e-mail: eystein.jansen@geo.uib.no >>>>>>> Phone: +47-55-583491 - Home: +47-55-910661 >>>>>>> Fax: +47-55-584330 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Wg1-ar4-ch06 mailing list >>>>>>> Wg1-ar4-ch06@joss.ucar.edu >>>>>>> http://www.joss.ucar.edu/mailman/listinfo/wg1-ar4-ch06 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Jonathan T. Overpeck >>>>>> Director, Institute for the Study of Planet Earth >>>>>> Professor, Department of Geosciences >>>>>> Professor, Department of Atmospheric Sciences >>>>>> >>>>>> Mail and Fedex Address: >>>>>> >>>>>> Institute for the Study of Planet Earth >>>>>> 715 N. Park Ave. 2nd Floor >>>>>> University of Arizona >>>>>> Tucson, AZ 85721 >>>>>> direct tel: +1 520 622-9065 >>>>>> fax: +1 520 792-8795 >>>>>> http://www.geo.arizona.edu/ >>>>>> http://www.ispe.arizona.edu/ >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Jonathan T. Overpeck >>>> Director, Institute for the Study of Planet Earth >>>> Professor, Department of Geosciences >>>> Professor, Department of Atmospheric Sciences >>>> >>>> Mail and Fedex Address: >>>> >>>> Institute for the Study of Planet Earth >>>> 715 N. Park Ave. 2nd Floor >>>> University of Arizona >>>> Tucson, AZ 85721 >>>> direct tel: +1 520 622-9065 >>>> fax: +1 520 792-8795 >>>> http://www.geo.arizona.edu/ >>>> http://www.ispe.arizona.edu/ >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> -- >> Professor Keith Briffa, >> Climatic Research Unit >> University of East Anglia >> Norwich, NR4 7TJ, U.K. >> >> Phone: +44-1603-593909 >> Fax: +44-1603-507784 >> >> http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/people/briffa/ >> >> >> >> > > > Attachment Converted: "c:\eudora\attach\Boreholes SOD1.doc"