date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 12:03:05 -0400 from: "Michael E. Mann" subject: Re: Something not to pass on to: Phil Jones Phil, I would not respond to this. They will misrepresent and take out of context anything you give them. This is a set up. They will certainly publish this, and will ignore any evidence to the contrary that you provide. s They are going after Wei-Chyung because he's U.S. and there is a higher threshold for establishing libel. Nonetheless, he should consider filing a defamation lawsuit, perhaps you too. I have been talking w/ folks in the states about finding an investigative journalist to investigate and expose McIntyre, and his thusfar unexplored connections with fossil fuel interests.Perhaps the same needs to be done w/ this Keenan guy. I believe that the only way to stop these people is by exposing them and discrediting them. Do you mind if I send this on to Gavin Schmidt (w/ a request to respect the confidentiality with which you have provided it) for his additional advice/thoughts? He usually has thoughtful insights wiith respect to such matters, mike Phil Jones wrote: > Kevin, Mike, > Sending just for your thoughts. The Appendix of this attachment > has gone > to SUNY Albany and is being dealt with by them. Not sure when, but > Wei-Chyung has nothing to worry about. > I've sent to Wei-Chyung and also to Tom Karl. Q is should I respond? > If I don't they will misconstrue this to suit their ends. I could > come up > with a few sentences pointing out the need to look at the Chinese data > rather than just the locations of the sites. Looking further at Keenan's > web site, he's not looked at the temperature data, nor realised that the > sites he's identified are the urban stations from the 1990 paper. He has > no idea if the sites for the rural Chinese stations moved, as he doesn't > seem to have this detail. Whatever I say though will be used for > whatever, so it > seems as though I'm damned if I do and damned if I don't. > > Does the email suggest to you this is a request for a formal review? > E&E have an awful track record as a peer-review journal. > > Footnote 8 is interesting. Grape harvest dates are one of the best > documentary > proxies. > > Cheers > Phil > >> Subject: review of E&E paper on alleged Wang fraud >> Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 15:18:04 +0100 >> X-MS-Has-Attach: yes >> X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: >> Thread-Topic: review of E&E paper on alleged Wang fraud >> thread-index: AcfqPgYII3NKEW8US8uwftlkhnxNhgAB/4xQAAA5K8A= >> From: "Peiser, Benny" >> To: >> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Aug 2007 14:18:06.0729 (UTC) >> FILETIME=[6B4F5F90:01C7EA47] >> X-UEA-Spam-Score: 0.0 >> X-UEA-Spam-Level: / >> X-UEA-Spam-Flag: NO >> >> Dear Dr Jones >> >> I have attached a copy of Doug Keenan's paper on the alleged Wang fraud >> that was submitted for the forthcoming issue of Energy & Environment >> http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/mscp/ene. >> >> >> I was wondering whether you would be happy to comment on its content and >> factual accuracy. Your comments and suggestions would be much >> appreciated. We would need your feedback by Sept 17. >> >> I look forward to hearing from you. >> >> Yours sincerely >> >> Benny Peiser >> Guest editor, E&E >> Liverpool John Moores University, UK >> >> > > Prof. Phil Jones > Climatic Research Unit Telephone +44 (0) 1603 592090 > School of Environmental Sciences Fax +44 (0) 1603 507784 > University of East Anglia > Norwich Email p.jones@uea.ac.uk > NR4 7TJ > UK > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Michael E. Mann Associate Professor Director, Earth System Science Center (ESSC) Department of Meteorology Phone: (814) 863-4075 503 Walker Building FAX: (814) 865-3663 The Pennsylvania State University email: mann@psu.edu University Park, PA 16802-5013 http://www.met.psu.edu/dept/faculty/mann.htm