cc: "Jones Philip Prof (ENV)" date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 16:30:21 +0100 from: "Ogden Annie Ms (MAC)" subject: RE: FW: Concrete News - HADCRU Data to: "Jones Philip Prof (ENV)" , "Palmer Dave Mr (LIB)" Dear Phil, I would just advise again that the more information we give them the more column inches they come up with - but I agree that the factual inaccuracies need to be stamped on. Best, Annie ------------------------------- Annie Ogden, Head of Communications, University of East Anglia, Norwich, NR4 7TJ. Tel:+44 (0)1603 592764 www.uea.ac.uk/comm ............................................ >-----Original Message----- >From: P.Jones@uea.ac.uk [mailto:P.Jones@uea.ac.uk] >Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 3:39 PM >To: Palmer Dave Mr (LIB) >Cc: Ogden Annie Ms (MAC); Jones Philip Prof (ENV) >Subject: Re: FW: Concrete News - HADCRU Data > > Dave, Annie, > Best to suggest to Nick that he talks to me. We've lost no >data, as I keep telling anybody. The gridded datasets are >sitting on the CRU site for anybody to download. > If you want me to contact Nick I can do, but he's got two >things wrong already - so this suggests the article isn't >going to be any good. > > I had told Nick that I couldn't see him till the week of >Sept 28. It seems he has made up hid story already! > > Cheers > Phil > >> Annie, >> Now what? Clearly the article would appear to have a 'slant' that is >> not favourable to the University. I have commented on Concrete >> articles in past although I'm not sure what notice was taken >of my comments. >> I feel myself being drawn into this..... >> >> Cheers, Dave >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Nicolas.Church@uea.ac.uk [mailto:Nicolas.Church@uea.ac.uk] >> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 3:19 PM >> To: Palmer Dave Mr (LIB) >> Subject: RE: Concrete News - HADCRU Data >> >> Dave, >> >> Thanks for the reply. Would a time be possible the following >week? If >> you would like I could send a draft of the article in advance of >> printing in which you could reply, if relevant to your job role, on >> specific issues raised? >> >> Also, to help with the accuracy of the article, could you comment on >> accusation that these agreements have been breached and >undermined by: >> the transfer of gridded data to Peter Webster but the refusal, under >> conditions of CRU agreements, of the same data to other scientists; >> the admitted loss of copies of agreements CRU hold with countries or >> particular weather stations. >> >> Thanks again, >> Nick >> >>> Nick, >>> I'm pretty busy this week so an interview doesn't look likely. >>> >>> However, what I can state is that the Climatic Research >Unit has made >>> available full gridded datasets of surface temperature data and >>> averages since 1982 (on its website since the late 1990s). These >>> datasets have been compiled from data acquired from weather >stations >>> around the world, courtesy of Meteorological agencies such as the >>> UK's own Met Office. >>> Some >>> of these organisations give us this information on the >understanding >>> that it is used solely for the compilation of our gridded datasets >>> and may only be used with the full permission of the >relevant agency. >>> >>> We receive numerous requests for the raw data provided to CRU. The >>> data are not ours to pass on without the full permission of the >>> relevant Met Services, but CRU hopes in future that it may >be able to >>> provide this information, jointly with the Hadley Centre, >subject to >>> obtaining consent for publication from the rights holders. >>> >>> The methodology used in compiling datasets from this raw data is >>> fully explained in many published scientific papers by CRU staff. >>> >>> Cheers, Dave >>> >>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>From: Nicolas.Church@uea.ac.uk [mailto:Nicolas.Church@uea.ac.uk] >>>>Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 6:39 PM >>>>To: Palmer Dave Mr (LIB) >>>>Subject: Concrete News - HADCRU Data >>>> >>>>Mr.Palmer, >>>> >>>>I'm the News Editor, Nick Church, for UEA's student paper, >Concrete. >>>>I'm in the process of writing an article on the recent >controversy of >>>>CRU data and its availability and transparency with the scientific >>>>community. >>>> >>>>Would it be possible to have a discussion next week over >this subject >>>>and the numerous FOI/EIR requests made and currently in >process over >>>>this data and topic? >>>> >>>>Sincerely, >>>> >>>>Nick Church >>>>Concrete News Editor >>>> >>>> >> >> >> > > >