date: Tue Jun 14 10:30:54 2005 from: Phil Jones subject: Re: Distortion of the work of CRU by Geologist Bob Carter in the to: "David Jones" David, Thanks for the email. There is really no point in trying to engage with these sort of people. It is just a waste of time. There is no research at CRU at UEA which shows that temperatures have cooled since 1998. The temperature plot on our web page may appear to show this, but no-one in their right mind would base anything on a 5-7 year trend. It's surprising he should say this as a geologist, who normally think of this sort of period as a few seconds in geologic time. He is so out of step on virtually everything he has said - not just related to us here. - the world will not get colder. There won't be any sort of ice age for the next 50K years. - the Roman and Medieval periods were cooler than today in Europe. Several passes in the Swiss/Austrian/Italian Alps are opening up in summer and material from when they were last open is appearing. It is either from the climate optimum (6K years ago) or from the Bronze Age. A little of it is Roman. None is Medieval. Considering the lag in the glacial system, many don't have many years left even if no more warming occurs. The Thames froze over between 1450 and 1830 because of the old London Bridge. In case you want to respond here is a paper that has some of these issues in them. An angle you could use might be this. Australians might think it a joke that the English are growing grapes. There are 400 vineyards now compared to ~40 in 1086 at the time of the Domesday Book. Growers from the French champagne region are looking at buying land in Southern England - a strange state of affairs, but true ! Also unlikely is an English victory over Australia at cricket. Might be a different story when they get to the more serious one and five day games ! Cheers Phil At 03:08 14/06/2005, you wrote: Phil, I thought I would draw the article linked to below to your attention - [1]http://theage.com.au/articles/2005/06/12/1118514924793.html. In particular the two paragraphs " A cooling trend took place between 1940 and 1970, when temperatures began to rise again, reaching a peak in 1998. "This coincided with the biggest El Nino in the 20th century," he said. However, research by the climate research unit at East Anglia University in Britain had shown that the average global temperature had declined since 1998. " Bob Carter's email address is bob.carter@jcu.edu.au . He is infamous for distorting climate change science in the media. Regards, David Dr David Jones Head of Climate Analysis Section National Climate Centre Bureau of Meteorology GPO Box 1289K, Melbourne Victoria 3001, Australia email : D.Jones@bom.gov.au Fax : (+61 3) 9669 4678 Ph (work) : (+61 3) 9669 4085 Ph (mobile): 0400132764 Prof. Phil Jones Climatic Research Unit Telephone +44 (0) 1603 592090 School of Environmental Sciences Fax +44 (0) 1603 507784 University of East Anglia Norwich Email p.jones@uea.ac.uk NR4 7TJ UK ----------------------------------------------------------------------------