date: Tue Dec 14 08:46:15 2004 from: Phil Jones subject: Re: Some weekend thoughts to: Kevin Trenberth Kevin, Got all the messages. You can have a few days off ! On Thursday I'll merge my half into yours for text and figs. Send reminder to Dave about figures and any text he might change/add by tomorrow. His figs might not be in the correct order in the version I send on Dec 16, but I'll sort that over Christmas or in the Jan10-14 week. Problem at the moment is he's not set them out - just sent me 24 full page plots ! Refs will get merged today - keeping discards at the end. Today I'll work through your comments on my half. At the AMS a meeting to work on the next few months would be useful - deciding if any new diagrams or mods to current ones are needed, and how we'll cope with the missing parts (some substantive and some just geographic). Hopefully all this will end with a plan for how we best use the time in Beijing and the period leading up to that. I plan to forget the ZOD for at least a month after submission. Cheers Phil At 19:21 13/12/2004, you wrote: Phil I have gone through this again and made some minor mods. There is one para I suggest you delete: highlighted, but it has about 4 refs that also need to be deleted, so I will let you do it. I have not fiddled withe the ref file. The new file is dated Dec 13. I am also resending the figure file (same name and date Dec 10): only one figure has changed, along with the caption: Fig 3.5.1. Over to you to consolidate and send out to LAs. I suggest they do not send to CAs or their contributors until we are done with it as the ZOD and they can review it at the same time as the ZOD review. Best Kevin Phil Jones wrote: Kevin, Read everything over the weekend, and here are a few comments. Glad I did this yesterday, as not thinking too well at the moment as daughter-in-law in labour for the last 4 hours. No news yet - just waiting ! Haven't made any alterations yet. Here are my thoughts. 3.1 I'll make a few cosmetic changes - mainly to refer to the Appendices a couple of times re significance. Box 3.3 Reads better, will replace with this one when merge is done. 3.4 3.4.1.5 needs some work. Doesn't seem to read or flow that well. 3.4.2.1 Maybe need to expand on homogeneity tests. 3.4.2.2 4th para seems a little at odds with previous one? 3.4.2.3, 3.4.2.4 OK 3.4.3 Clouds. Needs some more work to develop a clearer message. You're aware of this. 3.4.4 Radiation. Similar comments to the cloud section. I have some specific notes for both. Despite this, probably OK for the ZOD. Maybe all we need to do is to highlight this to the reviewers. 3.5 Section seems overlong. I know you've reduced it a lot ! Contains a number of sentences where English could be improved. 3.5.1. OK 3.5.2 Significance levels for Fig 3.5.1 need some discussion. We'll need to work some on this Figure. 3.5.3 and 3.5.4 OK for the ZOD with a few better sentences. 3.5.5 and 3.5.6 Both sections seem overlong. Again know you've reduced this a lot, but if we need reductions here is a good place. 3.5.7 OK Box 3.5 OK 3.6 Generally good. 3.6.1 OK 3.6.2 Probably remove the impact para - leave for the moment, though. 3.6.3 OK 3.6.4 I can improve this a little. It isn't all Scandinavian glaciers that are advancing, just those in SW Norway. Those in the north of Sweden are retreating. 3.6.5 OK 3.6.6/ 3.6.7 Basically OK. May need more re ACW and SAM link if we can say anything. 3.7 This is probably too long, so would be another area for some reduction. Agree on your suggestions for deletions as repetitive. 3.7.1.1-3.7.1.3 OK though all a little long. 3.7.1.4 This is the one where there is some repetition. Not much on monsoon. A lot here is already in 3.8 on extremes and the Dai et al (2004) paper is now referred to in 3.3, here and in 3.8. Suggest it should just be in 3.3 and again in 3.9 (it isn't there yet). Your figures seem in better shape than those in my section. We will likely need to work on the one Dennis is doing. Will need some colour. You're aware of which need more work from your comments. We can leave these in for reviewer and LA thoughts. Dave has sent me a first go at the figures. Made loads of suggestions. Dave was aware colour choices poor and will be doing more on them today. Is Chris Landsea the only person you've removed from the CA list so far? It seems so. I should have time tomorrow onwards to do merging and send out the 3 files to all our LAs. Are you happy with me merging in your refs list? I'll keep the discard ones at end in a separate list. Still hopeful of doing all this by close of play here on Thursday. All day in London on Friday and CRU party today week from 11am onwards. Going for Dec 16 means I will only be able to get some of the Figures in 3.2 and 3.3 properly into the text. Will send Dave's next Figure versions if they are much better. No point with current one. Still no news ! Cheers Phil At 21:16 10/12/2004, you wrote: Phil Attached are the three sections. Please use these for any suggested edits. Of the text, 3.7 is losest and needs careful comparison with 3.3 to check for inconsistencies. There is model stuff in there that is not quite right or incomplete: I removed some. There is reduncdant ENSO-related stuff. A lot of the monsoon variability is linked to ENSO and we could say that succinctly but it would decimate what the CAs and Panmao have done. I think we will need to do this in Beijing, but I left it for now. Note the refs has a list of discards at the end. Suggest we keep this, perhaps in a different file, and if stuff gets deleted with references, then the refs get moved there. Some of the figures are not quite in order in 3.6 and their is the extra figure that Dennis generated, not currently referred to. Key question is whether to follow up on this and how to make the multiple figs in 3.6 more compatible. I know you have suggestions on long time series and I urge you to keep in mind the purpose here: to show the past variability and place recent trends in that context. A lot could be done on indices and assoc plots, and patterns. I think we have license to do some of this as long as the figs are in literature. But we may not be able to reproduce the results??? I have hedged a lot on clouds and radiation, and maybe clarification will come? See if you think it is OK for now. Note these 3 versions are dated 1210: 10 Dec. They replace entirely the 1204 versions which you can discard. Kevin -- **************** Kevin E. Trenberth e-mail: trenbert@ucar.edu Climate Analysis Section, NCAR [1]www.cgd.ucar.edu/cas/ P. O. 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