date: Thu Jun 19 14:45:25 2008 from: Phil Jones subject: Re: EIP-draft to: "Reinhard Boehm" , "'Maurizio Maugeri'" , "'michele'" , "'Johann Hiebl'" , "'David Frank'" Reinhard et al, Attached is the series that was used in the IPCC Chapter (i.e Box 3.6 Figure 2). To get those numbers you just average months 6-8 from each of the lines. The 13th number is the annual average. Some proxy series illustrating the issue would be fine. I just think the model simulations are too much I'd include proxy series that have annual timescale resolution, so grape harvests fine. Where the smooth transition between the proxy and the instrumental issues goes is debateable. It could be here, but only if it were for the documentary type data (i.e. not trees). Happy not to get a revised draft until next week. I'm in Zurich some of next week at a meeting Rob Allan is organizing. Cheers Phil At 13:41 19/06/2008, Reinhard Boehm wrote: Dear all, Thanks for your recent comments everybody sent me so far, thanks Phil for offering to produce the final version of the introduction. In the mean time I have re-written it myself a little and also the whole text has grown. I hope to have it ready by Monday latest, and I think it is wise not to send you another piece right now but to rather pose the finished draft to your disposal, remarks etc. then. I have already included most of your remarks and corrections you sent so far. Just one thing, Phil: Yes I have planned to use the CE-mean longterm temperature series (it is the one from a box in your chapter of the IPCC-WG1 report I suppose?). Can You send me the data, just to present it in common style. And one question right now: I still think that at least showing some proxy series to illustrate what I have written in one short paragraph in the introduction would be good to visualise what this warm bias possibly is about. Of course we must make it clear that we have not used proxy information for adjusting. As I see already from the length of the text I have so far, the proxy section must really be kept short in this paper, and I hope that you will include them in a broader sense in your follow up paper? And for this I would also suggest to include more than we produced in ALP-IMP, but also some of the mentioned things from lakes, grape harvests? I hope that You have in mind such things in order to advertise the idea of an early instrumental period is one of a smooth transition from proxy based reconstructions (prior to 1750) to pure instrumental (after 1860). I planned to do this at the end of this paper, but maybe it is better to postpone it for the following one. Best regards Reinhard Prof. Phil Jones Climatic Research Unit Telephone +44 (0) 1603 592090 School of Environmental Sciences Fax +44 (0) 1603 507784 University of East Anglia Norwich Email p.jones@uea.ac.uk NR4 7TJ UK ----------------------------------------------------------------------------