date: Fri Feb 6 16:04:29 2004 from: Phil Jones subject: Re: Fwd: 2003RG000143R Receipt of revised MS by Reviews of to: "Michael E. Mann" Mike, I just click. I didn't need a userid/pw to resubmit on Wednesday. The CC saga is dragging on ! An email yesterday suggested that you should provide the code, but just for MM to check - and not to expect to run it !! I responded to this (and have just been seconded by Tom K. and Rik Leemans) saying it is ludicrous. I said even if you gave them the code (all the options as well as which proxies to use for which periods etc) and the data, they still wouldn't be able to get it to work. They would then complain they couldn't get it to work. Suggested also you likely have some library routines re some of the PCA work. Then I got to thinking ! In their comment to Nature they try in Fig 4 to replicate what you did in MBH98. They get an r-value of 0.89. They say this is due to some data series being different and the unavailability of the CRU temperature data you used ! I remember you saying you were going to put that onto your web site, so that can't be the real reason. So, I reckon they can't replicate what you did and want your code to sort this out. I briefly implied this back to CC and said asking for the code infringes your IPR. When Steve does respond - he's been away, in Japan, I think - remind him of IPR. It may seem odd to hide behind this, but you've given the method details in the original paper and in others. This should be all they need. I think our Orthogonal Spatial Regression technique would give much closer results than 0.89. When we did some work with Ed comparing Canonical Correlation with OSR, the results were almost identical when the networks were complete. When we do reviews we agree not to discuss the papers with others etc. If you give them the code, what guarantee do you have that they will delete it once the review is finished. Apologies if you've waded through all this and already had much the same thoughts. Cheers Phil Cheers Phil At 10:37 06/02/2004 -0500, you wrote: never mind...I can get there directly from the link below, mike At 08:22 AM 2/6/2004 +0000, you wrote: Mike, FYI Phil From: reviewsgeophysics@agu.org X-Mailer: MIME::Lite 2.106 (B2.11; Q2.03) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 20:46:46 UT To: p.jones@uea.ac.uk Subject: 2003RG000143R Receipt of revised MS by Reviews of Geophysics. Reply-To: reviewsgeophysics@agu.org Dear Dr. Jones: On February 5, 2004, we received your revised manuscript entitled "Climate over Past Millennia" by authors: Phil Jones Michael Mann I will contact you as soon as this revision has been evaluated. In the interim, you may check on the status of this manuscript by selecting the "Check Manuscript Status" link under the following URL: <[1]http://reviewsofgeophysics-submit.agu.org/cgi-bin/main.plex?el=A2P7liX6B7BFkh5F5A9if vfD2xudWY5PPWm8scYgZ> (Press/Click on the above link to be automatically sent to the web page.) Sincerely, Tom Torgersen Editor, Reviews of Geophysics Prof. Phil Jones Climatic Research Unit Telephone +44 (0) 1603 592090 School of Environmental Sciences Fax +44 (0) 1603 507784 University of East Anglia Norwich Email p.jones@uea.ac.uk NR4 7TJ UK ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ______________________________________________________________ Professor Michael E. Mann Department of Environmental Sciences, Clark Hall University of Virginia Charlottesville, VA 22903 _______________________________________________________________________ e-mail: mann@virginia.edu Phone: (434) 924-7770 FAX: (434) 982-2137 [2]http://www.evsc.virginia.edu/faculty/people/mann.shtml Prof. Phil Jones Climatic Research Unit Telephone +44 (0) 1603 592090 School of Environmental Sciences Fax +44 (0) 1603 507784 University of East Anglia Norwich Email p.jones@uea.ac.uk NR4 7TJ UK ----------------------------------------------------------------------------