cc: Christoph Kull , Heinz Wanner , Phil Jones date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 13:11:49 -0500 from: "Michael E. Mann" subject: Re: workshop: participants / 1.Circular to: Keith Briffa ok Keith--thanks for clarifying. It sounds like it was just an unfortunate but entirely honest mistake. Clearly too late to uninvite Eduardo, and I take Keith's word for it that he will "behave" appropriately. I would urge the invitation of Eugene Wahl too, if people don't object, just to provide a bit more balance in terms of the people who have actually been testing the multivariate calibration methods, etc... Would people agree to this? thanks mike Keith Briffa wrote: > Mike > > I absolutely accept responsibility for this fuck up - I simply did a > multiple reply when I suggested this and did not notice that your > email address was wrong. I thought there might be some sensitivity > (hence my remark that it was clearly inappropriate to ask Hans) but > my suggestion was just that - a suggestion , which required your > acceptance, and motivated only by recent contact with Eduardo where > he was clearly not in any way personally critical of you - but > honestly seemed motivated by a wish to advance the science. > I too misinterpreted your silence as agreement . > We simply will not allow you to withdraw . You know perfectly well > that you are too important in all this to take such action. If it > requires my talking to Eduardo and getting him to withdraw , then so > be it. However, please accept that I (and I believe Eduardo) consider > Hans' attack to have been unacceptable , and consider that as a group > we need to move the subject on. I think we should try to build bridges > here . > > > > with genuine apologies for all this > sincerely > Keith > > At 16:11 29/11/2005, Michael E. Mann wrote: > >> Keith's comment was never sent to me. I only saw Phil's comment >> (which apparently had Keith's comment below. Howver Keith never sent >> this to me!). We had specifically discussed this in Bern and decided >> that Zwiers could more objectively reflect that group than either >> Zorita for Von Storch who have been involved in ad hominem public >> attacks against us. Again, we had a specific discussion about this. >> >> I hereby formally withdraw my participation from this event. >> >> Mike >> >> Christoph Kull wrote: >> >>> >>> Dear Mike, >>> I got the email below from you, where you replied on the note from >>> Keith and >>> Phil....I therefore assumed that you both can live with the >>> suggestion made >>> by Keith and Heinz of having a member of the German team (Zorita) on >>> board. >>> We will certainly expect from all participants to contribute in a >>> constructive way! >>> In the cc list I copied the PAGES/CLIVAR chairs and the PAGES chair for >>> information on the ongoing activity. This seems justified to me. >>> Sorry to boarder you - this really wasn't intended! >>> >>> >>> >>> All the best, >>> Christoph >>> >>> >>> >>> On 28.11.2005 17:40, "Michael E. Mann" >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>>> >>>> I agree. looks very great. I'm at an NSF meeting right now, and may >>>> mention this is an upcoming activity relevant to the ESH program... >>>> >>>> mike >>>> >>>> Phil Jones wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> sending again as Mike's old email address is there. >>>>> >>>>> Christoph, >>>>> I have nothing further to add. Happy for invitations to go >>>>> out. >>>>> >>>>> Phil >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> At 16:20 28/11/2005, Keith Briffa wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Christoph >>>>>> just back from Switzerland - only comment is that I really believe >>>>>> inviting Eduardo Zorita to incorporate a member of the German team >>>>>> would seem justified and necessary. Obviously, inviting Hans von >>>>>> Storch is not practical,but Eduardo is , I believe, objective and >>>>>> fair and would certainly contribute constructively (and could >>>>>> include >>>>>> relevant work from Gerd Burger from Berlin, who published the recent >>>>>> Tellus paper on the various simulated reconstructions). >>>>>> best wishes all >>>>>> Keith >>>>>> >>>>>> At 13:40 28/11/2005, Christoph Kull wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Dear all, >>>>>>> I incorporated the comments received so far regarding the 1. >>>>>>> Circular for >>>>>>> the "Past Millennia Variability" workshop and made the final >>>>>>> version >>>>>>> (attached). >>>>>>> Attached is also the finalized participants list. >>>>>>> Please have a quick look - thanks! We once also discussed having an >>>>>>> Asian >>>>>>> participant. Actually, there is nobody from Japan or China on the >>>>>>> list... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If you agree, I will send out the information (1. Circular, >>>>>>> "Invited >>>>>>> Participant list") this week. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks for your feedback, >>>>>>> All the best, >>>>>>> Christoph >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Christoph Kull >>>>>>> Science Officer >>>>>>> PAGES IPO >>>>>>> Sulgeneckstrasse 38 >>>>>>> CH-3007 Bern >>>>>>> Switzerland >>>>>>> >>>>>>> phone: +4131 312 31 53/33 >>>>>>> fax: +4131 312 31 68 >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Professor Keith Briffa, >>>>>> Climatic Research Unit >>>>>> University of East Anglia >>>>>> Norwich, NR4 7TJ, U.K. >>>>>> >>>>>> Phone: +44-1603-593909 >>>>>> Fax: +44-1603-507784 >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/people/briffa/ >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Prof. Phil Jones >>>>> Climatic Research Unit Telephone +44 (0) 1603 592090 >>>>> School of Environmental Sciences Fax +44 (0) 1603 507784 >>>>> University of East Anglia >>>>> Norwich Email >>>>> p.jones@uea.ac.uk >>>>> NR4 7TJ >>>>> UK >>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Michael E. 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