date: Mon Feb 21 09:32:13 2005 from: Phil Jones subject: Re: Zero order draft to: "Parker, David (Met Office)" David, Thanks ! They are calling some people at specific times related to their chapter. Looking at the schedule and knowing which ones you've been involved with it isn't worth worrying about. Ch 3 starts at 1.30pm central and Ch 6 isn't till much later, so late evening UK on 23rd. You are probably better off out of it. Cheers Phil At 09:05 21/02/2005, you wrote: Phil I'm not due to be in the Chicago meeting but will be in my office in Exeter during normal hours Mon 21st - Thurs 24th, away Friday. I haven't booked a phone link: when that option arose, Peter hadn't had his accident; but I have found phone links to be ineffective except for very short periods. Videoconferencing can be better. Regards David On Mon, 2005-02-21 at 08:04, Phil Jones wrote: > Peter, > Sorry to here of your problems. Thanks for the comments on the ZOD > and the additional aspects in your email. Let me know any more of the > BAMS letter if you get them. We'll be looking at all the comments from > middle of April onwards. The next AR4 meeting is around May 10. > Some of the reason why some bits you wrote (and also Adrian > Simmons - had a long set of comments from him also) are not there > or have been reduced significantly, is that we've been told to concentrate > on what we do know or not know but not to say what we should be > doing. We'll be questioning this in Beijing. Problems with ERA-40 and > NCEP-NCAR are therefore very brief and also in many other areas. We're > not supposed to endorse the GCOS Imp. Plan for example. Roger Pielke > won't be pleased with this. Ch 6 of the CCSP doc does this and more. > Found this a little too hopeful, saying we can't say anything unless we > have pictures, complete histories etc. etc. Optimistic in the extreme, > although all necessary it could be said in a much better way. > > Well, hope you're back on your feet soon and I'll see you when you > hobble up here for a supervisory meeting in March. > > Cheers > Phil > > PS David - will you be in Chicago? What time do you get in tomorrow? > > > At 00:25 20/02/2005, Peter Thorne wrote: > >Phil (cc: David), > > > >I'm afraid I won't make Chicago ... will probably be under surgeons knife. > >Have taken today to try to write up some more lucid notes on the zero > >order draft that are attached and are what I would have discussed with you > >at Chicago. I leave it up to you how far these notes are forwarded on. > > > >I have to say that I still back my initial reaction despite that being > >seen as a "diatribe". I included the salient emails as an appendix as > >there's some additional material in them that might help. At this stage > >I'm pretty sure we can reconcile these things relatively simply. However, > >I certainly would be unhappy to be associated with it if the current text > >remains through final draft - I'm absolutely positive it won't. > > > >As an aside for your eyes only (so please don't forward this part on to > >anyone) there may well be a very large signatory letter to BAMS from > >operational satellite guys that Fu et al. is wrong which is one reason why > >I want to avoid the impression given in zero order draft - it may make us > >all painted into a difficult corner. More will be obvious after TOVS > >workshop in May / June but things may move dramatically one way or the > >other so just a heads up. > > > >I note that my box on the lapse rates was completely and utterly ignored > >which may explain to some extent my reaction, but I also think the science > >is being manipulated to put a political spin on it which for all our sakes > >might not be too clever in the long run. > > > >I hope Chicago ends up being okay. By the end of it hopefully we'll be in > >a position to make sure the first draft is good. I should still be able to > >make a March supervisory meeting albeit as the crutched wonder and we can > >discuss further then. > > > >Cheers > > > >Peter > > Prof. Phil Jones > Climatic Research Unit Telephone +44 (0) 1603 592090 > School of Environmental Sciences Fax +44 (0) 1603 507784 > University of East Anglia > Norwich Email p.jones@uea.ac.uk > NR4 7TJ > UK > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- David E Parker A2_W052 Met Office FitzRoy Road EXETER EX1 3PB UK email: david.parker@metoffice.gov.uk Tel: +44-1392-886649 Fax: +44-1392-885681 Global climate data sets are available from [1]http://hadobs.org Prof. Phil Jones Climatic Research Unit Telephone +44 (0) 1603 592090 School of Environmental Sciences Fax +44 (0) 1603 507784 University of East Anglia Norwich Email p.jones@uea.ac.uk NR4 7TJ UK ----------------------------------------------------------------------------