date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 16:00:47 +0000
from: Phil Jones
subject: Nature paper and beyond
to: k.briffa@uea.ac.uk,t.osborn@uea.ac.uk
[[[the original email appears deleted, only this forwarded copy survives]]]
>Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 15:53:11 -0500 (EST)
>From: "Henry N. Pollack"
>To: p.jones@uea.ac.uk
>cc: Shaopeng Huang
>Subject: Nature paper and beyond
>
>
>Dear Phil,
>
>Thanks for your note about the Nature paper -- we will be pleased to send
>some reprints for you and colleagues as soon as they arrive. Thanks also
>for your help and encouragement along the way with that paper.
>
>We (Shaopeng and I) welcome the opportunity to participate in a group
>effort addressing the broad issues you outline in your e-mail. We would
>all be well served by getting together for a free-for-all brainstorming
>session to develop a strategy of getting at these questions. Is there any
>possibility of this?
>
>
>For now, let me offer some of my thoughts on the two topics you set forth.
>(Shaopeng may or may not agree with all of my perspectives).
>
>1. We too are very interested in understanding what underlies the
>differences between the reconstructions from the high resolution proxies
>and the borehole temperatures. You suggest that we segregate the western
>North American sites from the eastern sites. We have done that, and there
>is a difference: the western sites have warmed only half as much (ca. 0.75
>K) as the eastern sites (ca. 1.5 K) over the past five centuries. But I
>am not fully persuaded that the difference is due to different land-use
>histories, although that might contribute.
>
>You might have a look also at the paper by Mareschal et al [JGR 103(B4),
>7385-7397, 1998]. They remark on very careful site-selection criteria,
>rejecting many boreholes for various reasons, including vegetation
>changes. The boreholes they describe are not in the database we have
>assembled because of the recent publication. Their reconstruction is
>parameterized differently than ours, but it is similar to a reconstruction
>we did for some forty boreholes in eastern Canada alone (not published).
>Both show a warming of about 1.5 K in the 19th and 20th centuries.
>
>A related and puzzling observation is a comparison we did some years ago
>between the Hansen and Lebedeff and your CRU instrumental SAT time series.
>For most regions around the world the agreement was very good between the
>two, but for eastern North America there was a considerable difference,
>for reasons I have never been able to determine. The borehole
>reconstructions, however, looked more like the H&L SATs than the CRU
>series. Do you have any insights as to why the two SAT series might be
>different?
>
>You also raise the question about whether snow cover renders the
>subsurface temperatures a seasonal rather than annual archive. This has
>always been an interesting question, and the answer (in part) lies in when
>and how long the snow covers the land surface. Dave Chapman has done a
>simple analysis that shows that the ground surface can be warmer if the
>snow is on the ground during the coldest part of the winter, but if the
>snow comes late in the season, it may shield the ground from some of the
>early warming of spring. The thickness of the snow is not very critical
>beyond some minimal thickness. It is possible to acquire snow-cover
>information from climatological archives (NCDC, Environment Canada,
>UEA-CRU?) to see just how much of the winter might be "lost" in various
>locations. It is possible that the North American east-west difference is
>in part due to earlier-longer-deeper snow cover in the mountainous west.
>But at least a part of the American west is desert, with almost no snow
>cover.
>
>Perhaps equally important is the freezing of soil moisture in the winter,
>at least at latitudes where temperatures fall to or below the freezing
>point. The latent heat release produces what is known as the zero curtain,
>i.e. a zero temperature that exists until all the soil moisture is frozen;
>depths below the curtain do not feel subzero winter temperatures that may
>be occurring at the surface. This too might be amenable to a compilation
>from climatological archives of the number of days when the SAT drops
>below zero for some suitable period of time. I am not so familiar with the
>archival data to know if this is an easily determined quantity.
>
>Related to these questions, I am getting quite interested in the details
>of how the temperature signal gets imprinted at the ground surface, i.e
>within the uppermost few meters of the subsurface. I am just getting a
>project underway with a university colleague in engineering. He has
>developed a Land Surface Processes Model to understand how the microwave
>signal that satellites see is generated by surface processes. I have
>persuaded him that a good test of the model is to see if it can generate
>the temperature signal going down into the Earth as well as the
>upward-directed microwave signal. The model is driven by time series of
>meteorological observables.
>
>Now on to the second topic:
>
>2. About the past 1000 years. The very best boreholes are in the ice in
>Greenland and Antarctica (low noise big signal environments). The
>geothermal reconstructions for Greenland continue to show a temperature
>maximum around 1000 AD (see the paper by Dahl-Jensen et al, Science 282,
>268-271, 1998) that is about 1K above present day temperatures, and the
>temperature around 1600 as the coldest (not by much) of the past
>millennium. The 19th century cooling is also apparent.
>
>In another geothermal study (GRL 24, 1947-1950, 1997), using a very
>different approach with much lower quality data but lots of it, Shaopeng
>and I also showed a reconstruction very similar to that of Dahl-Jensen et
>al, at least for the past 10 kyr. The dataset we used in that study was a
>very heterogeneous global (predominantly northern hemisphere) ensemble
>with a lot of noise that certainly made us cautious about the result. But
>after seeing Dahl-Jensen's similar result, we have some additional
>confidence in the broad picture that we developed. Our picture also shows
>a peak of temperature around 1000 AD that is above present-day.
>
>In Antarctica things are different, with 1000 years ago cold and the LIA
>warm, i.e. anti-correlated (see the 1999 IUGG abstract MC02/E/08-B1 by
>Gary Clow). What this demonstrates is that it is possible that many of the
>favorite climatic episodes, the MWP, the LIA, may not be global phenomena.
>
>We will review carefully the borehole database for deep high quality data
>that may shed some additional light on the full millennium in different
>regions. We might even think about different parameterizations for
>some of the best data. But it will be very difficult to make the MWP go
>away in Greenland.
>
>Let me also call to your attention another very recent paper (Werner et
>al, GRL 27(5), 723-726, 2000) that makes an interesting case of explaining
>why borehole and oxygen isotope temperature reconstructions for Greenland
>are substantially different. The authors argue that there was a
>deficiency in winter snowfall that biased the isotopes toward summer
>snowfall temperatures, again a seasonality argument. I am on a steep
>learning curve with respect to the subtleties of the various proxies, and
>can only make guesses as to why proxies differ from each other and from
>boreholes. I have some ideas, probably naive, to try out on you more
>experienced proxy practitioners.
>
>Finally (this has turned out to be a very long reply!), we have just
>received from Tom Crowley his current best estimates of the various
>forcings, and will be looking at these in the context of our efforts to
>integrate high resolution reconstructions with the borehole results, along
>the lines of Shaopeng's paper at IUGG last summer.
>
>Well, the bottom line is that we are indeed interested in making headway
>on these problems. What are the next steps?
>
>Cheers,
>Henry
>
>
Prof. Phil Jones
Climatic Research Unit Telephone +44 (0) 1603 592090
School of Environmental Sciences Fax +44 (0) 1603 507784
University of East Anglia
Norwich Email p.jones@uea.ac.uk
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