cc: Dominique Raynaud , Professor Eystein Jansen , paillar@lsce.saclay.cea.fr date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 20:34:30 +0000 from: Rick Battarbee subject: Re: DOCC/Paleo network of excellence in EU Framework6 to: Laurent Labeyrie , Keith Alverson , Keith Briffa , Matti Saarnisto , Thomas Stocker , Bruno Messerli , sirocko@mail.Uni-Mainz.de, Tom Pedersen , Vera Markgraf Dear all, I think the role of the continental group is to bring the climate change issue close to where people live across the world, to "regionalise" climate variability/surprises and to assess model performance at the regional or societal scale - this is then perfectly complementary to the function of the ice core and marine communities, and argues for the fusion of the groups in the way that Laurent's document describes. The issue for the continental group is one of organisaiton. It is very large and diverse and some thought needs to be given to structure. Thomas Litt is the new PEPIII leader and he and his new steering group has recently been defining objectives for the future. If I remember correctly he is planning to divide the programme into time periods: Holocene, Termination 1, Interglacials etc. I think this is a better way of dividing the community than by archive (e.g. lakes, tree rings) or geographic region, and it's a structure that could provide the leaders needed that Laurent refers to. For the Holocene, the ESF HOLIVAR programme is designed to deliver the PEPIII agenda and Keith B and I are planning to take a lead there (we have all the main data and model groups meeting together over the next few months at HOLIVAR workshops). For the other time periods it would be wise to discuss this with Thomas Litt, although the INTIMATE group works well on the last glacial-interglacial and transition and would be a natual unit, and there is also a well-defined interglacial community (most meeting this week in Leipzig). I would be happy to talk to Thomas as ex PEPIII co-leader, but it would perhaps be better coming from Keith A. Regards to all Rick At 19:55 21/03/02 +0100, Laurent Labeyrie wrote: >Dear colleagues: > >Great spirits have to reach same conclusions same time: >You will find attached a first not finished draft letter written by a group >of people after 2 meetings (French initiative by Raynaud, Grousset, >Labeyrie, and European initiative in Cambridge by Jansen and colleagues >from the CESOP program). >As you will see, our idea is to group ALL PALEO research leaders on ALL >PAGES TIME SCALES on a large network around the general theme (Dynamics of >Climatic Changes : DOCC). The links to continent were not yet defined, and >R. Battarbee and F. Sirocko were to be contacted by Eystein Jansen, as well >as K. Briffa for the recent; > >Our idea is that there will be probably only one large science network >supported for paleo, and we should not compete between disciplines. Just >attract the excellence. > >We have to be efficient, and build a science plan among the best science >plans which will be submitted for networks of excellence. > >I do not intend to take any leading role in that project, except may be to >help develop one of the product I have been thinking of for some times with >Didier Paillard and Catherine Ritz : we wish to propose a large PC/MAC/unix >labtop climate machine, a set of user friendly hierarchy of climate models >(from the most simple basic physic training zero dimension energy balanced >models to intermediate complexity and going to high level links to coupled >models) for training of our whole community (and others interested) and >development of sound climate change understanding. Paul Valdès is >developing a similar project in UK and is fully supportive. >We are planning a short meeting during EGS in Nice (may be Friday lunch) >and a community leader's meeting in Bruxelles sometimes this spring. >Contacts of our group are for ocean E. Jansen, models D. Paillard and ice >D. Raynaud. As said earlier, we are waiting a voluntary for paleocontinents. > >Laurent Labeyrie > > > > >>X-Sender: rbattarb@mail.geog.ucl.ac.uk >>Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 17:33:32 +0000 >>To: >> >>Subject: Re: Paleo network of excellence in EU Framework6 >>Cc: >> Christoph Kull , >> Isabelle Larocque , >> Frank Oldfield >>X-UCL-MailScanner: Found to be clean >>X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-milter (http://amavis.org/) >>Status: >> >>Dear Keith, >> >>I think a pro-active co-ordinating role from the PAGES office would be very >>good and I think Hans Brelen would appreciate your input and insight. One >>issue is whether we are proposing "networks of excellence" or "integrated >>projects". Ideally we need both! At the moment the "HOLIVAR" based >>initiative that Keith and I will put together will be an "integrated >>project". I guess all of us would also like to be in a "network of >>excellence". So obvious questions to be resolved if we want to bring >>together the whole community are: is there an optimum way of combining >>networks and projects, what are their respective functions, and can you be >>a member of both? >> >>Hope you will grasp the nettle! >> >>Cheers >> >>Rick >> >> >> >> >> >>At 15:34 20/03/02 +0100, Keith Alverson wrote: >>>Dear European PAGES SSC members (2001-2003), >>> >>> As you are no doubt aware the EU is tendering a call for letters of intent >>>to develop 'networks of excellence' as part of framework 6. As I understand >>>it these networks will be funded with substantial sums - roughly an order of >>>magnitude more money than the PAGES budget. Paleoscience was apparently one >>>of the 'poster cases' that was used in Brussels last week as an example of a >>>community that could benefit from creation of such a network. >>> >>> I have read through the working document 'provisions for implementing >>>networks of excellence' and have had scattered email contact with various >>>people planning initiatives and with Hans Brelen at the EU. I know of at >>>least four networks clearly within the PAGES remit that are being planned >>>for submission as letters of intent. These appear to be separated at present >>>(roughly) by ice, continent, ocean and timescale. >>> >>> It seems to me that PAGES would support all these initiatives and would >>>hope to work with any that get funded. Although one could take the view that >>>these network proposals should simply compete freely, it seems unlikely that >>>all will be funded (or even that more than one paleo-network will be >>>funded). This leads me to guess that some people will come out of such a >>>scenario very disappointed. Thus, I am tempted to believe that a single >>>large network, including all of these researchers - perhaps with a more >>>proactive engagement from PAGES - may be best. This would only be true of >>>course if funding would be proportionally higher to account for the larger >>>network. Also, if all the eggs get put into one basket there is also some >>>risk that no paleonetwork gets funded, obviously a scenario to be avoided at >>>all costs. >>> >>>If you, as PAGES SSC members, have some advice for me as to what course of >>>action you think I should be taking on behalf of PAGES, I would be happy to >>>hear it. Possibilities include: >>> >>>1) I, as a representative of PAGES, do nothing proactive and simply respond >>>to any requests that are made of me according to best judgement. >>> >>>2) I, as a representative of PAGES, try to take a more proactive role. This >>>might involve, for example, communicating directly with all the people I >>>know submitting plans for paleo-networks with some standard offers of PAGES >>>involvement (or otherwise) and communicating more proactively with Brussels >>>(in the first instance the only person I know there is Hans Brelen). >>> >>>Please let me know your thoughts on this matter as soon as possible. Thanks >>>for your guidance. >>> >>>Keith >>> >>>cc: Tom Pedersen, Chair >>> Vera Markgraf, Vice-Chair >>> Frank Oldfield, Christoph Kull, Isabelle Larocque, PAGES office >>>-- >>>Keith Alverson >>>Executive Director >>>PAGES International Project Office >>>Bärenplatz 2, 3011 Bern, Switzerland >>>http://www.pages-igbp.org >>>Tel (office): +41 31 312 31 33 >>>Tel (direct): +41 31 312 31 54 >>>Mobile: (+41) 079 641 9220 >>>Fax: +41 31 312 31 68 >>> >>> >>> >>Professor R.W. Battarbee >>Environmental Change Research Centre >>University College London >>26 Bedford Way, London WC1H 0AP, UK. >>Tel. +44 020 7679 7582, Fax +44 020 7679 7565 >>http://www.geog.ucl.ac.uk/ecrc/Welcome.html >> >>X-Sender: tfp@pop.unixg.ubc.ca >>Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 10:26:08 -0800 >>To: Keith Alverson >>From: Tom Pedersen >>Subject: Re: Paleo network of excellence in EU Framework6 >>Cc: rbattarb@geog.ucl.ac.uk, f.oldfield@btinternet.com, >> Keith Briffa , >> Dominique Raynaud , >> Laurent Labeyrie , >> Matti Saarnisto , >> Thomas Stocker , >> Bruno Messerli , sirocko@mail.Uni-Mainz.de, >> Vera Markgraf , >> Christoph Kull , >> Isabelle Larocque >>X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-milter (http://amavis.org/) >>Status: >> >>Keith (et al). >> >>I think PAGES should take a proactive role. Last week, we had an EU-CANADA >>Cooperation Seminar (or some such title) here in VAncouver. I attended the >>presentations by the Research Director of the Nansen Centre in Bergen >>(Stein Sandven), and by the coordinator/promoter/organizer/front-person of >>the Framework 6 initiative, a young guy named Thomas Zergoi who is based in >>Vienna. I spoke to Sandven about establishing a paleo network in Europe >>and its prospects for funding by the EU. His sense was that since the >>actual F6 guidelines are not yet written (but will be soon), should Mr. >>Zergoi receive a letter from PAGES (soon) detailing what could be done, the >>final guidelines ( I was told to think of them loosely as being "areas for >>priority funding") could well include the prefix "paleo". >> >>So, I think PAGES should be very proactive in this, and I suggest you get >>in touch with Zergoi. I suspect that a single proposal that linked with the >>major paleo labs could well be a winner. It would be good if PAGES could >>coordinate a planning/writing group (maybe using a little bit of our >>discretionary funding to get people together, if necessary). I'd include >>Eystein Jansen in Bergen on the list of people with which to discuss this >>(Eystein is being proposed as the Director of the Bjerknes Centre of >>Excellence in Norway, now being reviewed as a 500 M NKR initiative over >>several years), as well as (in addition to those in the cc list above) >>Michael Sarnthein, Jean-Claude Duplessy, Colin Prentice...and others (the >>usual highest-quality suspects...you know the players). >> >>One other point: although the seminar was designed to encourage ties >>between the EU and Canada, I'm not at all clear as to how those would >>evolve. If, however, there was to be an advantage to have Canadian >>participation, you can count me in to help, but only if that would offer an >>advantage to the European case. >> >>Zergoi struck me as an approachable chap, willing to help, and can be >>reached at >> >> BIT, Bureau for >>International Research & Technology Co-operation >> Name: >> Mr. Thomas Zergoi >> e-mail: >> zergoi@bit.ac.at >> web server: >> >>http://www.bit.ac.at/ist.htm >> phone: >> +43 1 5811616-137 >> fax: >> +43 1 5811616-16 >> address: >> Donau-City-Strasse >>1, A-1220 Vienna, Austria >> >>Best wishes, Tom. >> >> >> >>>Dear European PAGES SSC members (2001-2003), >>> >>> As you are no doubt aware the EU is tendering a call for letters of intent >>>to develop 'networks of excellence' as part of framework 6. As I understand >>>it these networks will be funded with substantial sums - roughly an order of >>>magnitude more money than the PAGES budget. Paleoscience was apparently one >>>of the 'poster cases' that was used in Brussels last week as an example of a >>>community that could benefit from creation of such a network. >>> >>> I have read through the working document 'provisions for implementing >>>networks of excellence' and have had scattered email contact with various >>>people planning initiatives and with Hans Brelen at the EU. I know of at >>>least four networks clearly within the PAGES remit that are being planned >>>for submission as letters of intent. These appear to be separated at present >>>(roughly) by ice, continent, ocean and timescale. >>> >>> It seems to me that PAGES would support all these initiatives and would >>>hope to work with any that get funded. Although one could take the view that >>>these network proposals should simply compete freely, it seems unlikely that >>>all will be funded (or even that more than one paleo-network will be >>>funded). This leads me to guess that some people will come out of such a >>>scenario very disappointed. Thus, I am tempted to believe that a single >>>large network, including all of these researchers - perhaps with a more >>>proactive engagement from PAGES - may be best. This would only be true of >>>course if funding would be proportionally higher to account for the larger >>>network. Also, if all the eggs get put into one basket there is also some >>>risk that no paleonetwork gets funded, obviously a scenario to be avoided at >>>all costs. >>> >>>If you, as PAGES SSC members, have some advice for me as to what course of >>>action you think I should be taking on behalf of PAGES, I would be happy to >>>hear it. Possibilities include: >>> >>>1) I, as a representative of PAGES, do nothing proactive and simply respond >>>to any requests that are made of me according to best judgement. >>> >>>2) I, as a representative of PAGES, try to take a more proactive role. This >>>might involve, for example, communicating directly with all the people I >>>know submitting plans for paleo-networks with some standard offers of PAGES >>>involvement (or otherwise) and communicating more proactively with Brussels >>>(in the first instance the only person I know there is Hans Brelen). >>> >>>Please let me know your thoughts on this matter as soon as possible. Thanks >>>for your guidance. >>> >>>Keith >>> >>>cc: Tom Pedersen, Chair >>> Vera Markgraf, Vice-Chair >>> Frank Oldfield, Christoph Kull, Isabelle Larocque, PAGES office >>>-- >>>Keith Alverson >>>Executive Director >>>PAGES International Project Office >>>Bärenplatz 2, 3011 Bern, Switzerland >>>http://www.pages-igbp.org >>>Tel (office): +41 31 312 31 33 >>>Tel (direct): +41 31 312 31 54 >>>Mobile: (+41) 079 641 9220 >>>Fax: +41 31 312 31 68 >> >>T.F. Pedersen >> >>Chair, PAGES (Past Global Changes), http://www.pages-igbp.org/ >> >>Professor, Oceanography, Earth and Ocean Sciences, 6270 University Boulevard, >>University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C. Canada V6T 1Z4 >>Telephone: 604-822-5984 Fax: 604-822-6091 Email: pedersen@eos.ubc.ca >>http://www.eos.ubc.ca/ >> >> >>Associate Dean, Research, Faculty of Graduate Studies, >>6371 Crescent Road, >>University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C. V6T 1Z2 >>Tel: 604-822-8644 >>Fax: 604-822-5802 >>Email: pedersen@eos.ubc.ca >>http://www.grad.ubc.ca >> > >Attachment Converted: "N:\mywork\attachments\DOCCCambridge.doc" >---------------------------------------------------------- > Laurent Labeyrie Professeur a l'Universite Paris-Sud Orsay > Dept. des Sciences de la Terre et >Laboratoire des Sciences du Climat et de l'Environnement >Domaine du CNRS, av. de la Terrasse F-91198 Gif/Yvette cedex >France tel 33 1 69 82 35 36 fax 33 1 69 82 35 68 > Professor R.W. 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