cc: C.Goodess@uea.ac.uk, t.osborn@uea.ac.uk, m.agnew@uea.ac.uk date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 16:52:26 +0000 (GMT) from: ANDREW DLUGOLECKI subject: Re: CII sceptics to: P.Jones@uea.ac.uk A couple of points of information. 1. the CII did not publish my letter, because the sceptics threatened them with an action for libel, which the CII's lawyers said could be justifiable. I would be interested to know if CRU has access to legal advice, and what they think?See attached final version. 2. I have been appointed a member of the UK Subcommittee on Adaptation under Lord Krebs, for a period of 5 years, wef from 22nd June (under embargo till then). It is a part-time, paid post, and will not stop me being a Visiting Research Fellow at CRU, and may indeed be very useful, though of course I will be bound by the Official Secrets Act. Andrew --- On Sat, 2/5/09, P.Jones@uea.ac.uk wrote: From: P.Jones@uea.ac.uk Subject: [Fwd: Re: CII sceptics (fwd)] To: "ANDREW DLUGOLECKI" Cc: C.Goodess@uea.ac.uk, t.osborn@uea.ac.uk, m.agnew@uea.ac.uk Date: Saturday, 2 May, 2009, 5:55 PM Andrew, The CII should be shocked by the sceptical article. I was in Geneva last week and talked to experts in CO2 and sea-ice measurement. On the latter, the map Monckton shows is a comparison of winter days! I'd really emphasize the Arctic sea-ice decline in summer, as they can't expain this decline. In a footnote to the time series plot of sea ice amounts, there is mention of a underwater volcano. This is the Mid-Atlantic ridge ! This is spewing out heat from Iceland right down to Tristan da Cunha! This is a complete red herring! I'm attaching a couple of plots about CO2 increase and a recent paper. Monckton is assuming a linear increase in CO2 increase. This is wrong it is exponential. So we are above the IPCC SRES scenarios in terms of emissions. Cheers Phil ---------------------------- Original Message ---------------------------- Subject: Re: CII sceptics (fwd) From: "Philip Jones" <[1]P.Jones@uea.ac.uk> Date: Fri, May 1, 2009 12:56 pm To: [2]p.jones@uea.ac.uk -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 18:38:32 +0000 (GMT) From: ANDREW DLUGOLECKI <[3]andlug@btopenworld.com> To: Phil Jones <[4]p.jones@uea.ac.uk> Cc: [5]C.Goodess@uea.ac.uk, [6]t.osborn@uea.ac.uk, [7]m.agnew@uea.ac.uk Subject: Re: CII sceptics Phil (et al) I have done a thorough letter to the Chartered Insurance Institute. I think they are really shocked at the defects in the sceptical article they sponsored naively (see attached). One aspect I did not cover was trends in CO2 as there were so many other obvious errors. Can you say what the errors or misrepresenations are in the graph on page 4 of the attached pdf by Monckton please. Finally, CII have decided they will make the full CII report 'Coping with Climate Change' publicly accessible on their website after I badgered them . I will tell you when it actually happens. Thanks again Andrew Dlugolecki --- On Tue, 21/4/09, Phil Jones <[8]p.jones@uea.ac.uk> wrote: From: Phil Jones <[9]p.jones@uea.ac.uk> Subject: Re: [Fwd: CII sceptics] To: [10]C.Goodess@uea.ac.uk, [11]t.osborn@uea.ac.uk, "ANDREW DLUGOLECKI" <[12]andlug@btopenworld.com> Cc: [13]m.agnew@uea.ac.uk Date: Tuesday, 21 April, 2009, 3:41 PM Andrew, Presumably you have found all these links. If not sit down before looking at them. I've pasted a number of links below. In some of them you will see very familiar diagrams. [14]http://www.altenergyaction.org/Monckton.html This one seems very useful. It might be a way to respond. Your responses so far seem to be in this type of format. What I think has happened in CII is the Monckton has put together most of the text from things he already had, and a paragraph has been added at the front and one at the beginning to give the CII context. In one of the ones below is his address Monckton of Brenchley Carie, Rannoch, Scotland, PH17 2QJ 30 December 2008 Brenchley is in Kent, but he lives up your way! [15]http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/monckton_papers/ [16]http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/images/stories/papers/originals/gore_testimony.pdfhtt p://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/images/stories/papers/monckton/climate_sensitivity_reconside red.pdf [17]http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/originals/warming_not_happening.html [18]http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/images/stories/papers/originals/warming_not_happening .pdf Cheers Phil Dear Andrew et al, Clare has been away in Vienna, but she should be back later today. We see things like this all the time - mainly on blog sites though. It is difficult to know how to respond to them. When they appear in print, they probably should be responded to, but we all have many things to do. The points you make are all sound, and there are many more that we could also make and add. Most will be technical, so not that relevant to almost all readers of CII. Here are a couple of relevant recently (or soon to be) published papers. The ones M&M select are just the ones to make their arguments. They miss hundreds on the other side. Maybe a brief response pointing out their main mistakes? Cheers Phil ---------------------------- Original Message ---------------------------- Subject: CII sceptics From: "ANDREW DLUGOLECKI" <[19]andlug@btopenworld.com> Date: Sun, April 19, 2009 4:39 pm To: "maureen agnew" <[20]m.agnew@uea.ac.uk> "Clare Goodess" <[21]c.goodess@uea.ac.uk> -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dear Maureen and Clare subsequent to launching the report, CII has published a ridiculous article which undermines their own position and discredits our report implicitly. I think it was as a result of pressure from an internal sceptic at a senior level, in order to show 'balance'. I attach the scanned article ( which looks OK if you open it in Word Office), and also my proposed rebuttal. I would welcome your thoughts urgently. Cheers Andrew Prof. Phil Jones Climatic Research Unit Telephone +44 (0) 1603 592090 School of Environmental Sciences Fax +44 (0) 1603 507784 University of East Anglia Norwich Email [22]p.jones@uea.ac.uk NR4 7TJ UK ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- & nbsp; Attachment Converted: "c:\eudora\attach\sceptics.letter.afd.may1.doc"