date: Thu Mar 17 15:05:38 2005 from: Phil Jones subject: Re: BBC E-mail: New row on climate 'hockey stick' to: "Michael E. Mann" Mike, If you do it's worth sending also to this guy, Alex Kirkby. "Alex Kirby" This guys higher up. He got them to check more the items they post on their web site from members of the public. Just finished my call with Paul Olding. Their filming will be done in May for September showing. Mentioned all the paleo series and have just sent him the Rev Geophys paper. Cheers Phil At 14:27 17/03/2005, you wrote: Hi Phil, Might be worth sending in a letter of complaint to BBC. They should know that the scientific community is unhappy w/ their flawed reporting on these matters. I've already brought this up w/ Ben Dempsey (who is supposed to call me shortly--sounds like you're talking to a different person at Horizon), mike At 03:26 AM 3/17/2005, Phil Jones wrote: Ray, I tried to convince the reporter here there wasn't a story, but he went with it anyway. At least he put in a quote from me that there are loads of other series that show similar-ish series to MBH and MJ. Had to mention the Moberg et al series to achieve this. The reporter said he'd not seen Moberg et al., and it wasn't flagged up by Nature to them at the appropriate time. Odd ! Then why are you running with this GRL paper as there are 10s issued each week. Well, it turns out, not surprisingly, that MM have issued numerous press releases themselves - using their networks. Waterhouse is at Anglian Polytechnic Uni (APU) - it's in Cambridge and Chelmsford. Keith said what does John Waterhouse know about paleo - my thoughts also ! We've worked with John several years ago on an isotopes in trees project, that didn't produce much. APU is OK when it comes to counselling studies. Ruth works for them teaching at Yarmouth ! His quote is typical of many I get to here. Pity the reporter didn't mention this to me. My response would have been what is the point of doing any more paleo work, if we are constrained by the answer we are allowed to get. If we don't have the MWP and LIA then we are wrong. We have orders of magnitude more data than when these came into vogue in the 1960s, but we still are expected to find them. Cheers Phil Cheers Phil At 17:20 16/03/2005, you wrote: ray saw this story on BBC News Online and thought you should see it. ** Message ** Anglia Polytechnic?!!!! ** New row on climate 'hockey stick' ** New controversy has erupted over one of the most provocative symbols of the global warming debate: the so-called "hockey stick" graph. < [1]http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/em/fr/-/2/hi/science/nature/4349133.stm > ** BBC Daily E-mail ** Choose the news and sport headlines you want - when you want them, all in one daily e-mail < [2]http://www.bbc.co.uk/dailyemail/ > ** Disclaimer ** The BBC is not responsible for the content of this e-mail, and anything said in this e-mail does not necessarily reflect the BBC's views. If you don't wish to receive such mails in the future, please e-mail webmasters@bbc.co.uk making sure you include the following text: I do not want to receive "E-mail a friend" mailings. Prof. Phil Jones Climatic Research Unit Telephone +44 (0) 1603 592090 School of Environmental Sciences Fax +44 (0) 1603 507784 University of East Anglia Norwich Email p.jones@uea.ac.uk NR4 7TJ UK ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ______________________________________________________________ Professor Michael E. Mann Department of Environmental Sciences, Clark Hall University of Virginia Charlottesville, VA 22903 _______________________________________________________________________ e-mail: mann@virginia.edu Phone: (434) 924-7770 FAX: (434) 982-2137 [3]http://www.evsc.virginia.edu/faculty/people/mann.shtml Prof. Phil Jones Climatic Research Unit Telephone +44 (0) 1603 592090 School of Environmental Sciences Fax +44 (0) 1603 507784 University of East Anglia Norwich Email p.jones@uea.ac.uk NR4 7TJ UK ----------------------------------------------------------------------------