date: Fri Mar 11 15:16:38 2005 from: Phil Jones subject: Re: AGG Meeting to: Richard Thigpen Dick, I know all the African problems, but we need to try. Trying to go to the Cairo workshop would be a good way, if many countries go. This would help in more ways than one. You'll get to use the software and meet the people on the ground and see who comes. Also we're going to be discussing an issue with CLIMATs at AOPC. This is item 6.7 on the agenda Hans has sent around. This is how the countries calculate their mean daily and hence mean monthly values. We discussed this in the context of the conf call last year re the Antarctic stations. There has been some discussion over emails for the last few months on this and we need to come up with an AOPC decision to recommend to CCL on this. If we don't we may have to pick up the pieces the new software will produce. If you ever get any queries on this, countries should stick with the method they have always used, not change to some method that might give better absolute values. If there is anyone I should tell how important it is for you to go to Cairo then let me know. Cheers Phil At 13:41 11/03/2005, you wrote: Phil, Yes, but...... Africa is what, 80 countries? Most have not answered me yet. Much easier said than done but still that's what we need to decide. I may have some data rescue efforts starting there soon. Brazil has politely told me to leave them alone, its their business. Perhaps Carolina Vera can help us find a leverage point there. I think Karpov said the Cairo workshop was to be in the second quarter. No dates when he told me that but I'll find out. Actually I would like to attend one just to see how easy our software really is. Should be a good AGG/AOPC meeting. See you soon. Dick Phil Jones wrote: Dick, OK, understand about the workshops. We should try in AOPC to link these with the other GCOS workshops and inform any future ones about the ETCCDMI (the extremes ones - like the one in Pune).Tom Peterson should have a report on this last one in CLIVAR Exchanges. These workshops (the Pune) have led to papers, so we can decide from them where we need other improvements. The big hole in S. America was the Amazon part of Brazil, so we should push Brazil for more there. With Canada and Russia sorted and maybe Mexico, the next big area should be Africa. There was a workshop in Cape Town, but there were a number of no shows, so we need to try to coax a number of African countries to begin transmitting. Maybe the Cairo workshop will help there. Do you know when that one will be? I think with the GSN we need to work on a few areas - Africa is the main one and also the Brazilian Amazon. Cheers Phil At 12:20 11/03/2005, you wrote: Hello Phil, The workshops I mean are the ones begun by WWW where they actually teach operators how to do CLIMAT and CLIMAT TEMP. The first was in Moscow and the second is planned for Cairo. They teach the software that we financed as well as the basic handbook that WWW produced. They (WWW) will need support if we want them to move quickly. So I'd like to get AOPC to tell GCOS it is a high priority. (Or not) As far as priorities, I believe we need them for both GUAN and GSN. As you note, GSN is not as much a money issue but the money I have been getting is "for" GUAN so no choice. I will send some background for at least Mexico soon. Do you have an opinion of the next "big" area? We got Russia, Brazil, Canada revisions. To me we are getting down to the ones and twos here and there. Cheers Dick Phil Jones wrote: Dick, Been in Asheville this week, but now back. Hans has put a good deal of time into the AOPC agenda for AGG. We do need to have some priorities if we have more money. This should be GSN rather than GUAN this time I feel, but I realise that GUAN will still take most of the money as GSN mods are relatively cheap. So, some up with some suggestions and we can prioritize at AOPC. The climate workshops - are these the ones that have developed indices? Like the one I went to in Pune last month, or do you mean the ones like Delhi? We do need to work on the voids in the GSN network. So, do all you can before AOPC. If you want to send me something sooner, then do and I'll go through it. I'll be away the week before AOPC and I'm coming straight from that meeting in Bologna to Geneva. Cheers Phil At 14:11 07/03/2005, you wrote: Good Day Phil, I am beginning to think about the up-coming AGG/AOPC meeting. A few topics that I hope we can cover; A new GUAN priority list (in case we get more money) I am working with Mexico to revise their GSN list. Anyone preferences are welcome/timely. Overall priorities for whatever funding we can get. CLIMAT workshops, data rescue projects, etc. How do these compare to GUAN renovations where most of the money has gone? Some of the big voids, such as in Asia, South America, Pacific. Another look/ discussion of the Pacific. Given the state of some of the countries, should we add additional stations even if the distribution isn't perfect? I will get together the background (maps, etc.) that we will need. Any other topics you want to get prepared for? Some of these are AOPC topics but perhaps an AGG review first. Cheers Dick Prof. Phil Jones Climatic Research Unit Telephone +44 (0) 1603 592090 School of Environmental Sciences Fax +44 (0) 1603 507784 University of East Anglia Norwich Email p.jones@uea.ac.uk NR4 7TJ UK ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Prof. Phil Jones Climatic Research Unit Telephone +44 (0) 1603 592090 School of Environmental Sciences Fax +44 (0) 1603 507784 University of East Anglia Norwich Email p.jones@uea.ac.uk NR4 7TJ UK ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Prof. Phil Jones Climatic Research Unit Telephone +44 (0) 1603 592090 School of Environmental Sciences Fax +44 (0) 1603 507784 University of East Anglia Norwich Email p.jones@uea.ac.uk NR4 7TJ UK ----------------------------------------------------------------------------