cc: Keith date: Mon Oct 5 10:43:22 2009 from: Tom Melvin subject: Re: Climate Audit to: Rashit Rashit, Thank you for the data and pictures. They will help considerably. Keith is being criticised for how the trees used in the recent end of the Yamal chronology were selected from the larger quantities of trees available. For the two JAH tree used we have the rest of the chronology (25 cores in all). The 5 POR trees were selected from12 cores. For the 5 YAD trees used there would appear to be missing numbers. Do you have the other series which were left out? Attached are correlation reports for the JAH and POR sites. We need to be able to explain that the selection was based on a few trees from each site, tree were selected that clearly show the common high-frequency tree growth signal, and the longer series were selected to achieve a better overlap with the sub-fossil series and also to increase the preservation of low-frequency variance when using the corridor standardisation. We must show that the selection of trees was not made to support global warming. The YAD data shows an increase in tree growth and we need to show that all the trees from which we could have selected also show this increase. Thanks Tom At 13:25 04/10/2009, you wrote: Dear Tom, files with living trees data attached, that I use to update Yamal chronology (these data have been used among many others in Esper et al. 2009: [1]http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/122374111/abstract?CRETRY=1&SRETRY=0). First letters in ID means river (valley): TNL - Tanlova-yakha; HDT, M, X - Khadyta-yakha; POR - Porza-yakha; all others - Yadayakhodyyakha (you can see the map of this area in Holocene, 2002, V. 12, N 6 (ADVANCE-10k issue), fig 1, page 718). In Excel file - the same data but with age of rings (from central ring). As to photo - did you mean landscape photographs (old and recent)? Unfortunately no photos there are for Yamal. Stepan Shiyatov has published recently book with comparative photos in Polar Urals. Two examples from this book are attached. If you mean this kind of photographs I ask Stepan to find more impressive pictures. Best regards Rashit Hantemirov Institute of Plant and Animal Ecology 8 Marta St., 202 Ekaterinburg, 620144 Russia Tel: +7(343) 260-64-94 Fax: +7(343) 260-65-00, 260-82-56 E-mail: rashit@ipae.uran.ru Вы писали 3 октября 2009 г., 19:00:44: > Rashit, > Keith is being criticised by Climate Audit for his selection of > recent (living) data in the Yamal chronology. We need to say how the > data was selected, showing the strength of common signal, the local > sites etc. I have the JAH and POR site data. Please could you send me > the YAD (presumably Yadayakhodyyakha River) ring width data. If there > are more recent living site data (those that you would allow us to > use) these might help to illustrate our discussion. > Also if there are before and after photographs illustrating the > growth increase/change these may be useful. > Keith is drafting a reply to the criticisms and we would want to > include you and Stepan in our reply. > Tom > Dr. Tom Melvin > Climatic Research Unit > University of East Anglia > Norwich, NR4 7TJ, U.K. > Phone: +44-1603-593161 > Fax: +44-1603-507784