date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 10:30:56 +0000 from: jen.hardwick@metoffice.gov.uk subject: Re: HadCRUT to: Phil Jones Hello Phil, We have already archived January data. Dave Croxall is still adding in more historical data and a few more stations for December 2006, so I suspect the update will be done at the end of March. I haven't seen ClimateAudit before ; there is a lot about HadCRUT3 there. It seems very like other climate message boards though in that it is more of a blog space for the user's particular issues rather than a open discussion forum. It does need a 'good' troll to direct readers to paper. Jen On Tue, 2007-02-20 at 09:08 +0000, Phil Jones wrote: > Jen, > I assume this means that you'll use the file I sent when you do > January updates? Let me know when done and I'll collect files > next week. > > FYI - there is a lot on the Climate Audit site. > http://www.climateaudit.org/ > > This stems from work at NCDC where they have made some mods to > US HCN and also according to Tom Peterson to their global and > hemispheric data as well - partly with adjustments to marine data to > account for > the greater numbers of buoy obs now. Tom says they have papers > nearly complete and ready to go - as I would expect. I'm just surprised > they would results on the web site before they have been reviewed. > > If only these people would just read the papers - especially Brohan et al., > rather than assume what we've done. One blogger (called Lee) tried to > defend us but even he began to misinterpret later. > > Cheers > Phil > > > Cheers > Phil > > > At 08:50 20/02/2007, jen.hardwick@metoffice.gov.uk wrote: > >Hello all, > > > >Phil is right the code can handle extracting early data. I suggest that > >we do it as part of a complete monthly run through. When Dave fills in > >the last historical gap, we update the CRUTEM3, then the HadCRUT3 series > >with the early data and the anders file at the end of the month; when we > >would usually do the update. We can archive all data prior to that point > >and check the new monthly data files to see how the data has changed. I > >suspect that there may only be some regional differences, but we may > >need to put out a note on the webpages to let users know, > > > > > > > >Cheers > >Jen > > > > > >On Fri, 2007-02-16 at 09:02 +0000, Phil Jones wrote: > > > Mark, > > > It should be possible to rerun the software for the last > > > few months even couple of years. As I understand it Philip > > > set up the system to run the whole lot so if some > > > files are updated then you'll get any extra data included. > > > If you're going to do this, then here's the update of the > > > file called the 'anders' file for the period from 1991 onwards. > > > > > > I updated this file with all MCDW data we have through Nov06, the > > > CLIMAT through Dec06. This also has all the additional and > > > altered data for Australian and NZ stations and all the manual updates > > > for Antarctic stations. On the latter, I've just added a few more for > > > some of the Antarctic sites from the BAS web site. > > > > > > The file has a line of missing data for 2007, but the South Pole > > > value is there as that has already come through. > > > > > > Cheers > > > Phil > > > > > > > > > At 08:25 16/02/2007, mark.mccarthy@metoffice.gov.uk wrote: > > > >Actually Dave has been looking at data gaps much earlier than the 2-3 > > > >month lag of MCDW, which we also routinely add. He has been getting data > > > >from a number of sources (e.g. Maldives paper reports from our own > > > >library). This does not affect the routine CLIMAT messages files, but > > > >supplements our decoded database. My question was whether it would be > > > >possible to re-run the HadCRUT software to include new data for the last > > > >X years (Dave can advise on how far back this should go). > > > > > > > >Cheers, > > > >Mark > > > > > > > >On Thu, 2007-02-15 at 18:02 +0000, Phil Jones wrote: > > > > > Mark, > > > > > Point taken. We are adding in MCDW data - with a 2-3 month lag > > time - > > > > > so this will pick up most of the back data issues. > > > > > However, will the file with the uncoded monthly CLIMAT > > > > > messages still be produced? And will the software that runs > > > > > HadCRUT3 and CRUTEM3 still run at your end each month? > > > > > > > > > > Cheers > > > > > Phil > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 11:11 15/02/2007, mark.mccarthy@metoffice.gov.uk wrote: > > > > > >Jen, Phil, > > > > > > > > > > > > Over the last few years Dave Croxall has been actively filling > > in gaps > > > > > >in the historical CLIMAT archive. He is reaching the end of this work. > > > > > >Therefore, once Dave has finished, it might be an opportune moment to > > > > > >reprocess the HadCRUT dataset to bring in these additional data. > > > > > > > > > > > >Cheers, > > > > > >Mark > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-- > > > > > >Mark McCarthy Climate Research Scientist > > > > > >Met Office Hadley Centre Fitzroy Road Exeter EX1 3PB > > > > > >Tel: +44 (0)1392 884672 Fax: +44 (0)1392 885681 > > > > > >Email: mark.mccarthy@metoffice.gov.uk http://www.metoffice.gov.uk > > > > > >For Hadley Centre climate data visit http://www.hadobs.org > > > > > > > > > > Prof. Phil Jones > > > > > Climatic Research Unit Telephone +44 (0) 1603 592090 > > > > > School of Environmental Sciences Fax +44 (0) 1603 507784 > > > > > University of East Anglia > > > > > Norwich Email p.jones@uea.ac.uk > > > > > NR4 7TJ > > > > > UK > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > >-- > > > >Mark McCarthy Climate Research Scientist > > > >Met Office Hadley Centre Fitzroy Road Exeter EX1 3PB > > > >Tel: +44 (0)1392 884672 Fax: +44 (0)1392 885681 > > > >Email: mark.mccarthy@metoffice.gov.uk http://www.metoffice.gov.uk > > > >For Hadley Centre climate data visit http://www.hadobs.org > > > > > > Prof. Phil Jones > > > Climatic Research Unit Telephone +44 (0) 1603 592090 > > > School of Environmental Sciences Fax +44 (0) 1603 507784 > > > University of East Anglia > > > Norwich Email p.jones@uea.ac.uk > > > NR4 7TJ > > > UK > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >-- > >Jen Hardwick, Climate Information Scientist > >Met Office Hadley Centre for Climate Prediction and Research > >Hours: Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday Morning > >Tel: +44 (0)1392 884288 Fax: +44 (0)1392 885681 > >jen.hardwick@metoffice.gov.uk http://www.metoffice.gov.uk > >Data available from http://www.hadobs.org > > Prof. Phil Jones > Climatic Research Unit Telephone +44 (0) 1603 592090 > School of Environmental Sciences Fax +44 (0) 1603 507784 > University of East Anglia > Norwich Email p.jones@uea.ac.uk > NR4 7TJ > UK > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Jen Hardwick, Climate Information Scientist Met Office Hadley Centre for Climate Prediction and Research Hours: Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday Morning Tel: +44 (0)1392 884288 Fax: +44 (0)1392 885681 jen.hardwick@metoffice.gov.uk http://www.metoffice.gov.uk Data available from http://www.hadobs.org