date: Wed Sep 30 09:40:40 2009 from: Phil Jones subject: Re: Instrumental/Proxy to: Rob Wilson Rob, Don't worry too much about access to the South American tree ring data. I think I can get it all quite easily from someone at Bern. I should be able to get - cores as well, for all but the pers comm/unpublished sites. Seems as though there are less than 5 of these. We can write to those if the bid is successful. Quick count shows about 50 series. Ricardo Villalba and Juan Carlos Aravena have sent them loads of sites. There seem more than 50 in some of the maps. It might be that the ~50 is only those with a temperature signal. I've been sent a paper and they want me to be on it as it is using CRU TS 3 as the predictand. Quite handy really - it seems loads of work getting things together has been done! The paper needs a lot of work - an awful lot. Ice core work from Thompson and also Ant Penin stuff there also. Still useful to have Ed and Rosanne on board as all this is basically just South American data. Not sure why stuff from further afield is in - this is why the paper needs work. We'll need the NZ and any Australian trees in addition to Tas. If the paper is in better shape by end of November we could refer to it. We could also get someone from the Bern group to send a letter of support as well. I'll bring what I have or a later version to our next meeting. Cheers Phil At 07:45 30/09/2009, Rob Wilson wrote: Hi Phil, finally had a chance to read your initial text through. I have not yet heard from any of the dendros, except Rosanne/Ed. This might be a problem if we want to get letters of support out of them. I will chase them up again next week. As we are not specifically looking to sample new tree-ring sites, then we are essentially looking for data access only so hopefully there will not be a problem. There certainly seems to be a wealth of dendro data from South America that has been generated through the IAI and related projects. I wonder if any comparison with the Thompson ice core data has been undertaken? A lot of work has also recently been done in New Zealand so again plenty of data there. Tasmania might be the only place where the tree-ring data stop in the early-mid 1990s, but I will check with Ed about that. One area I am interested in is the moisture (and ENSO) sensitive TR chronologies that Lamont are developing in Australia and there might be a really nice project to compare the terrestrial and marine (GBR corals) records in this region. Possible PhD project?? Rob Phil Jones wrote: Dear All, Spent an hour or so putting together some outlining text for our 2pp for TASOC. Also added in a few references that may or may not be relevant. Apart from the intro, it's just a few thoughts on trees/corals and ice cores plus a little more on early instrumental/documentary. I worked on this text being the science. This could include the links to other work we know is going on, but that might come in another section with the WP detail/links. Rob W has sent some emails getting more tree-ring worker contacts. Also there will be a section on tree-growth models elsewhere in the bid. Also there wll be something about the SAM - to go along with ENSO, ITCZ and monsoons. Cheers Phil Prof. Phil Jones Climatic Research Unit Telephone +44 (0) 1603 592090 School of Environmental Sciences Fax +44 (0) 1603 507784 University of East Anglia Norwich Email [1]p.jones@uea.ac.uk NR4 7TJ UK ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Dr. Rob Wilson Lecturer in Physical Geography School of Geography & Geosciences University of St Andrews St Andrews. FIFE KY16 9AL Scotland. U.K. Tel: +44 01334 463914 Fax: +44 01334 463949 [2]http://www.st-andrews.ac.uk/gg/people/wilson/ ".....I have wondered about trees. They are sensitive to light, to moisture, to wind, to pressure. Sensitivity implies sensation. Might a man feel into the soul of a tree for these sensations? If a tree were capable of awareness, this faculty might prove useful. " "The Miracle Workers" by Jack Vance ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Prof. Phil Jones Climatic Research Unit Telephone +44 (0) 1603 592090 School of Environmental Sciences Fax +44 (0) 1603 507784 University of East Anglia Norwich Email p.jones@uea.ac.uk NR4 7TJ UK ----------------------------------------------------------------------------