date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 09:02:34 -0400 from: Thomas C Peterson subject: Re: the next controversy to: Phil Jones Why do the Skeptics adopt such a nasty, derogatory tone? I was just reading their UHI attack on Parker. The relevant question for climate change is not whether downtown is warmer than the country but whether the observing sites have an increasing UHI bias. Yet they dismiss sound science as kids twaddle rather than trying to understand why. I was just asked to review a J. Climate paper on Chinese UHI. I declined (I reviewed a GRL pan evap article last week and have a J. Climate radiosonde homogeneity paper to review, hopefully, this week). I'll paste the abstract they sent below just FYI as it relates to your UHI controversy. I recommended Li as a reviewer as Li lead the effort to homogenize Chinese data and if one doesn't adequately address non-UHI homogeneity issues first, all sorts of things may be aliased onto the signal. Regards, Tom Phil Jones said the following on 6/19/2007 8:55 AM: Tom, Meant to say hope the interview goes well. Phil At 13:35 19/06/2007, you wrote: Thanks, Phil. -Tom Phil Jones said the following on 6/19/2007 3:58 AM: Tom, Just looked at the CA web site, and their latest is a real go at the Jones et al. (1990) paper. When Wei-Chyung got the email from Keenan he was going to Norway for a meeting. Maybe he's back now. It seems as though they didn't give him much time to respond. I have a JGR paper to review by a number of Chinese on temp trends there. Warming looks much greater than CA would believe. They refer to a J. Climate paper (which is either in press or resubmitted - depends where it is referred to in the paper !) which reckons that 30-40% of the warming there is urban related. Not keen on it being said this way, but need to read the paper beyond the abstract and the urban section. As for pointers, yes stress this is just USHCN and not global. Maybe also point out that work on assessing homogeneity is best done within the country (even if Russ doesn't agree), so could mention Lucie re Canada. There are apparently some Australian pictures as well on the CA website. I had an email from David Jones of BMRC, saying they will be ignoring anything on CA and anything from Warwick Hughes. The other aspect to point out is that the SSTs are warming around most coasts, and the open ocean as well, so UHIs can only be a small part of the overall warming. There is a sentence or two on this in Ch 3, in the ES if I recall correctly. Could also point out that there are many totally rural sites around the world which show strong warming. Cheers Phil At 01:17 19/06/2007, you wrote: Phil, The guy who is putting the photos of the USHCN on-line will be talking on a radio station in Seattle Tuesday morning. I've been ask to follow him up for a 20 minute interview. I expect everything I say that CA doesn't like will show up there fairly soon. Any advice on points I ought to emphasize (their focus is, apparently, US temps, not global)? Tom Prof. Phil Jones Climatic Research Unit Telephone +44 (0) 1603 592090 School of Environmental Sciences Fax +44 (0) 1603 507784 University of East Anglia Norwich Email [1]p.jones@uea.ac.uk NR4 7TJ UK ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Thomas C. Peterson, Ph.D. NOAA's National Climatic Data Center 151 Patton Avenue Asheville, NC 28801 Voice: +1-828-271-4287 Fax: +1-828-271-4328 Prof. Phil Jones Climatic Research Unit Telephone +44 (0) 1603 592090 School of Environmental Sciences Fax +44 (0) 1603 507784 University of East Anglia Norwich Email [2]p.jones@uea.ac.uk NR4 7TJ UK ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Thomas C. Peterson, Ph.D. NOAA's National Climatic Data Center 151 Patton Avenue Asheville, NC 28801 Voice: +1-828-271-4287 Fax: +1-828-271-4328 Embedded Content: moz-screenshot3.jpg: 00000001,07f6d1a6,00000000,00000000