cc: Rob Allan , Chris Folland , Craig Donlon , Ag Stephens date: Fri Aug 26 09:06:30 2005 from: Phil Jones subject: Re: FW: Ideas for a European monitoring project to: "Allan, Rob" , "Klein Tank, Albert" Albert, Rob, A few additional thoughts. Getting DWD involved is good, but we will need to be careful with numbers. I'll leave Rob to liaise on DARC and you with DLR and the atmospheric chemistry issue. Over the next week or two we will likely need to work on the WP descriptions a little more. I realise this is what you suggested, but I'm just confirming that. As for the comments Chris sent yesterday. I agree we need more substance on a number of the science issues. Here, we need to focus on what MACE could have provided (if up and running) during the 2003 summer or during the current summer - in the way of co-ordination and products. Limited space is a problem within the 15 pages. Linking to ENSEMBLES is important. I see this more through the data side than the RCM aspects. ERA-70 is the way forward in the long-term, but Adrian says this won't be till 2009 at the earliest. This is good for us, as it gives MACE some chance of influencing the input to it from Europe at least. ENSEMBLES is developing the high-res daily datasets (for Tx, Tn and Precip) for two main reasons, 1) for RCM evaluation and 2) for looking at extremes across the continent. They will be exceedingly useful validation tool for ERA-70, but this is long-term. Maybe MACE should be proposing to pick up these high-res data from ENSEMBLES and work towards getting them into an operational status. This will be vital to much of the CIB work and the CLTs will help in breaking down barriers to this. In the long-run, this operational aspect with the high-res grids evolving into being produced by an on-line ERA-70. ENSEMBLES will look through WP5.4 into the feasibility of this with ERA-40 from 1979 onwards. To get the lengths of useful records though we will need the ENSEMBLES high-res grids and basic station data for assessments back to 1950 and earlier in some parts of Europe. The process and the lessons learned in doing this for these three variables (and the derived ones, of Tmean and DTR) will then provide guidance as to how the other surface ECVs can be gradually added ( pressure will likely be the easiest of these, but there is vapour pressure, wind speed/direction and surface rad budgets as well). This will gradually test to the limit the capability of ERA-70 and ERA-40 to get these additional ECVs. So, in summary, I'm suggesting we concentrate links to ENSEMBLES on the obs data side and just link very loosely to RCM work. Similarly, any D&A work should be for others to follow up, but using MACE and ENSEMBLES products. The attached is a workshop summary put together by Lennart Bengtsson and many others that will appear in BAMS. This might provide some background. Many were involved in this (Chris and me in tis email list). Cheers Phil At 15:25 25/08/2005, Allan, Rob wrote: On Thu, 2005-08-25 at 15:13, Klein Tank, Albert wrote: > Rob et al., > > I agree with many of the points you discussed at your meeting this morning. But before bringing in DARC it would be good to have a response of ECMWF because of their GEMS project which is handling atmospheric chemistry data assimilation in particular. Did you get a response from Adrian Simmonds already? Also, I am a bit hesitant to bring in too many UK partners. There are some other potential partners very active in this area, such as DLR (my KNMI chemistry colleagues are still considering whether or not to participate in the chemistry part given their involvement in GEOMON). > > With respect to being "complementary to satellite data" I have been in contact with Bruno Rudolf and Martin Wersheck of DWD (see below). It would be interesting to have DWD not only for their GPCC but also to make the connection to the Climate Monitoring SAF work. Agree? > > Albert. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Werscheck Martin [[1]mailto:Martin.Werscheck@dwd.de] > Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 3:05 PM > To: Klein Tank, Albert > Cc: Gratzki Annegret; Schulz Jörg; Hechler Peer > Subject: AW: Ideas for a European monitoring project > > > Dear Albert, > > thats really fast. Thank you for the draft proposal... we will discuss within CM-SAF. Next week we all will be veeeery busy with our 2nd User & Training Workshop that we organise in Nuremberg (3 days). Immediately following we have sort of "high level" meeting with GCOS (Goodrich, Manton), WMO (Hinsman, Duchossis), climate experts (Trenberth, Rossow et. al.), satellite operators (EUMETSAT,Russia) etc. pp., titled "contribution of the SAF Network to Global Climate Monitoring". This meeting will be followed by two weeks occupied with RAVI meeting in Heidelberg. So, it might take a couple of days until I can give a more detailed feedback. > > > Thanks again for considering our participation. > > kind regards > > martin > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Klein Tank, Albert [[2]mailto:Albert.Klein.Tank@knmi.nl] > Gesendet am: Donnerstag, 25. August 2005 14:30 > An: Rudolf Bruno > Cc: Hechler Peer; Werscheck Martin; Beck Christoph; Grieser Jürgen > Betreff: RE: Ideas for a European monitoring project > > Dear Bruno, Martin, et al. > > Thanks for your quick responses. Addressing the new EU FP6 call, I would like to make a connection from ground-based monitoring to satellite monitoring without actually including much on satellite products. The latter is already taken care of in CM-SAF. We would like CM-SAF to be represented to ensure that our project is complementary. That is also why I sent my first email to Martin (after reading your comprehensive "Klimastatusbericht 2004"). > > Other DWD contributions are also welcome. To give more details of what we aim for, I attach a very first draft proposal. So far, it has been discussed only between Rob Allan and Chris Folland of the UK Met Office, Phil Jones of CRU and me. Therefore, please note that partners and in particular names are very preliminary. > > Looking forward to your comments. > > Albert. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rudolf Bruno [[3]mailto:Bruno.Rudolf@dwd.de] > Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 12:47 PM > To: Klein Tank, Albert > Cc: Hechler Peer; Werscheck Martin; Beck Christoph; Grieser Jürgen > Subject: AW: Ideas for a European monitoring project > > Dear Albert, > > The title of the project sounds interesting. The GPCC is planning to comlement the global view by a stronger focus on Europe. > > Currently we are in the final phase of a successful project (VASClimO funded by the German Government 2001 - mid 2006). The extremes have been a side aspect of this project, however, the main focus was/is the analysis of monthly precip for trends. Juergen Grieser and Christoph Beck are the research scientists of VASClimO. Find more info on our Website. > > I asked both, if there would be interested in MACE and be willing to prepare a proposal or a sketch of it at least. > > Please let us know, if you are interested in participation of DWD/GPCC? > > Best regards, Bruno > > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Werscheck Martin > Gesendet am: Donnerstag, 25. August 2005 12:30 > An: 'Klein Tank, Albert' > Cc: Rudolf Bruno; Hechler Peer > Betreff: AW: Ideas for a European monitoring project > > Dear Albert, > > thanks for inviting to contribute to FP6 Project Proposal "MACE". Sounds really interesting! As the focus is on ground based observations, I wonder how we could fit in with climate relevant data/products derived from satellite input. So, do you see any chance to include satellite activities? > Can you provide more information, esp. on that topic? > > Within the Climate SAF we are about to draft the proposal for the next phase > (2007 - 2012), and this takes quite some resources to do. For this reason and the still ongoing discussion about the future foci of DWD activities it is quite hard to tell about the chances to join any bigger projects. I expect to have a more clear view by end of this year. What is the schedule for MACE ? > > I hope it is o.k. with you that I forwarded your email to Bruno Rudolf. He might be a candidate for MACE, too. > > For the time being I cross fingers for a successful application for this ambitious project (trying to keep the numbers of partners below 30). > > Best regards to Aryan, > > cheers > martin > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Klein Tank, Albert [[4]mailto:Albert.Klein.Tank@knmi.nl] > Gesendet am: Dienstag, 23. August 2005 16:28 > An: Martin Werscheck > Betreff: Ideas for a European monitoring project > > Dear Martin, > > The reason that I am contacting you is to ask if you are interested to contribute to a new European FP6 Integrated Project that I intend to propose. It is called "MACE: Monitoring and Assessment of Climate Extremes". > The proposal is based on earlier work by Rob Allan of the UK Met Office under the acronym AESOP (in which your colleague Bruno Rudolf was one of the partners). > > Responding to the 4th call of the European Commission, the new project aims to extend the European capacity in a cost effective manner for the systematic monitoring of climate variability and change in support of GCOS, GEOSS, and the European Union Strategy for Sustainable Development and the Environmental Action Plan for the European Union. The focus is on ground-based observations (complementary to satellite measurements). > > Before sending you more details, I would be pleased to know if you are interested to participate in such a project. I also welcome your ideas on what DWD's contribution could be given your role in the CM-SAF. For your information, the indicated maximum budget we aim for is 7 million euros. > This means that the project is rather ambitious, although we're trying to keep the number of partners under 30, with a distinct scientific focus. > > Looking forward to hear from you! > > Best regards, > > Albert. > > ********************* > Albert Klein Tank > KNMI, the Netherlands > ********************* Albert, Thanks for that. My first go at sending something to Adrian Simmons failed as he couldn't read the attachment - I seem to remember him having similar problems with AESOP. I'm trying again now. Please do explore the chemistry bit with your DLR people and we'll see what comes of it first before doing anything about others such as DARC. Yes, I fully agree about DWD. Cheers, Rob. -- Dr Rob Allan, Climate Scientist, Hadley Centre for Climate Prediction and Research, Met Office, Fitzroy Road, Exeter, Devon, EX1 3PB, UNITED KINGDOM. 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