cc: Keith Briffa , "Ricardo Villalba" , Eystein Jansen , edwardcook date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 07:07:10 -0400 from: edwardcook subject: Re: the regional section and MWP Figure to: Jonathan Overpeck Given the nature of the SH and what Ricardo put together, I would keep the Australian and South Aftrican borehole records separate. Henry Pollack can provide them, I am sure. He gave an excellent talk at a meeting in Canberra that I recently participated in. Cheers, Ed P.S. Ricardo, here is the Oroko temperature reconstruction. JANUARY-MARCH TEMPERATURES RECONSTRUCTED FROM OROKO SWAMP, NEW ZEALAND SILVER PINE TREE RINGS BE ADVISED THAT THE DATA AFTER 1958 ARE INSTRUMENTAL TEMPERATURES YEAR TEMP °C 900 13.751 901 14.461 902 13.236 903 13.331 904 13.483 905 13.632 906 12.959 907 13.628 908 13.372 909 12.868 910 13.244 911 13.793 912 14.048 913 14.444 914 13.095 915 14.036 916 13.215 917 13.698 918 13.570 919 13.665 920 13.871 921 13.966 922 14.762 923 14.325 924 14.077 925 14.713 926 14.081 927 14.218 928 13.793 929 14.151 930 14.985 931 13.599 932 14.663 933 14.110 934 14.968 935 14.391 936 15.484 937 15.554 938 14.977 939 15.303 940 15.179 941 15.591 942 14.737 943 14.007 944 14.865 945 14.449 946 14.350 947 15.096 948 15.257 949 15.789 950 15.303 951 15.513 952 16.111 953 15.723 954 15.459 955 14.015 956 13.083 957 13.850 958 14.069 959 13.772 960 14.873 961 14.692 962 14.923 963 14.527 964 15.034 965 14.688 966 14.486 967 14.444 968 14.436 969 13.776 970 13.809 971 14.391 972 13.487 973 13.995 974 14.061 975 14.321 976 14.882 977 14.226 978 14.977 979 15.447 980 14.424 981 14.923 982 14.180 983 15.484 984 13.487 985 14.168 986 14.176 987 15.699 988 15.187 989 16.305 990 14.845 991 14.647 992 15.765 993 14.754 994 14.271 995 13.623 996 14.300 997 13.937 998 14.040 999 14.011 1000 12.976 1001 13.904 1002 13.500 1003 13.586 1004 14.090 1005 13.809 1006 13.413 1007 13.318 1008 13.892 1009 14.151 1010 14.391 1011 13.793 1012 14.626 1013 13.755 1014 13.838 1015 13.017 1016 13.083 1017 13.549 1018 13.471 1019 13.087 1020 13.458 1021 13.203 1022 14.090 1023 13.574 1024 13.755 1025 13.826 1026 13.137 1027 13.194 1028 14.036 1029 13.091 1030 13.768 1031 13.813 1032 13.846 1033 13.871 1034 14.255 1035 14.370 1036 13.805 1037 14.576 1038 13.504 1039 13.867 1040 14.927 1041 14.420 1042 15.661 1043 15.484 1044 15.595 1045 14.741 1046 13.644 1047 14.271 1048 14.288 1049 13.661 1050 13.665 1051 13.298 1052 14.003 1053 13.826 1054 13.788 1055 13.768 1056 12.976 1057 13.397 1058 13.529 1059 13.549 1060 13.846 1061 14.032 1062 14.820 1063 13.962 1064 14.279 1065 14.151 1066 14.358 1067 14.131 1068 13.652 1069 13.941 1070 14.007 1071 14.403 1072 13.764 1073 13.982 1074 13.846 1075 13.830 1076 13.450 1077 13.632 1078 13.265 1079 13.331 1080 14.267 1081 13.644 1082 13.549 1083 13.557 1084 13.549 1085 14.725 1086 13.479 1087 12.848 1088 12.559 1089 12.926 1090 13.793 1091 14.387 1092 14.531 1093 14.114 1094 14.754 1095 14.688 1096 14.845 1097 14.729 1098 15.059 1099 15.059 1100 15.055 1101 16.057 1102 15.208 1103 15.492 1104 14.519 1105 14.741 1106 14.151 1107 15.005 1108 13.640 1109 13.652 1110 13.566 1111 13.978 1112 14.424 1113 14.180 1114 14.931 1115 14.601 1116 14.403 1117 14.391 1118 14.981 1119 15.125 1120 13.817 1121 12.897 1122 13.863 1123 14.271 1124 14.857 1125 14.882 1126 14.762 1127 14.548 1128 14.403 1129 14.667 1130 14.572 1131 14.057 1132 14.556 1133 15.018 1134 13.892 1135 13.995 1136 13.982 1137 14.853 1138 14.779 1139 15.129 1140 15.117 1141 14.849 1142 15.228 1143 15.216 1144 15.030 1145 14.428 1146 15.063 1147 15.216 1148 15.043 1149 15.034 1150 14.370 1151 15.096 1152 15.410 1153 15.719 1154 16.577 1155 15.769 1156 15.364 1157 15.855 1158 15.422 1159 14.515 1160 15.810 1161 15.628 1162 15.402 1163 15.092 1164 15.298 1165 14.865 1166 14.882 1167 15.274 1168 14.605 1169 14.746 1170 15.472 1171 15.509 1172 15.018 1173 15.369 1174 15.084 1175 15.855 1176 14.795 1177 15.571 1178 14.255 1179 14.510 1180 14.865 1181 14.036 1182 14.688 1183 14.713 1184 14.519 1185 14.255 1186 15.204 1187 14.461 1188 15.476 1189 14.882 1190 15.005 1191 14.453 1192 14.729 1193 15.265 1194 14.444 1195 14.696 1196 15.793 1197 14.581 1198 15.014 1199 14.539 1200 14.044 1201 14.733 1202 14.853 1203 15.298 1204 13.772 1205 13.991 1206 14.651 1207 14.836 1208 14.440 1209 15.162 1210 14.766 1211 15.010 1212 15.356 1213 14.787 1214 15.645 1215 15.435 1216 15.043 1217 15.063 1218 14.151 1219 15.397 1220 15.154 1221 15.892 1222 15.488 1223 15.938 1224 15.525 1225 15.591 1226 14.589 1227 15.496 1228 15.963 1229 14.502 1230 14.457 1231 15.468 1232 14.985 1233 15.282 1234 14.989 1235 15.237 1236 15.711 1237 15.888 1238 14.259 1239 14.560 1240 15.711 1241 15.195 1242 15.484 1243 15.166 1244 16.020 1245 16.454 1246 15.480 1247 15.492 1248 16.528 1249 15.150 1250 14.436 1251 14.878 1252 15.723 1253 15.043 1254 15.121 1255 14.845 1256 14.807 1257 14.482 1258 14.585 1259 15.307 1260 15.100 1261 14.354 1262 13.995 1263 14.106 1264 14.403 1265 14.754 1266 14.581 1267 14.799 1268 14.378 1269 14.671 1270 14.193 1271 14.387 1272 14.453 1273 14.510 1274 15.187 1275 15.393 1276 14.498 1277 14.560 1278 15.022 1279 14.498 1280 14.725 1281 13.549 1282 14.977 1283 14.065 1284 14.024 1285 13.603 1286 15.220 1287 15.080 1288 14.898 1289 14.774 1290 15.542 1291 15.212 1292 14.267 1293 14.692 1294 13.644 1295 14.222 1296 15.038 1297 14.721 1298 15.682 1299 13.896 1300 14.766 1301 14.836 1302 14.370 1303 14.812 1304 14.812 1305 13.673 1306 14.036 1307 13.929 1308 14.807 1309 14.114 1310 13.446 1311 13.368 1312 14.168 1313 14.989 1314 14.292 1315 14.985 1316 14.123 1317 14.321 1318 13.966 1319 14.325 1320 14.647 1321 14.622 1322 14.279 1323 14.510 1324 13.689 1325 13.450 1326 14.197 1327 13.867 1328 14.205 1329 14.779 1330 14.350 1331 14.729 1332 13.479 1333 13.974 1334 14.453 1335 14.535 1336 15.402 1337 14.424 1338 14.399 1339 14.906 1340 15.430 1341 14.531 1342 15.785 1343 15.513 1344 15.220 1345 15.352 1346 15.443 1347 15.410 1348 15.777 1349 14.902 1350 14.576 1351 14.605 1352 14.168 1353 14.601 1354 15.414 1355 14.300 1356 14.630 1357 15.170 1358 14.919 1359 14.688 1360 14.081 1361 14.799 1362 14.581 1363 15.133 1364 13.838 1365 14.708 1366 13.149 1367 13.281 1368 13.760 1369 14.123 1370 13.314 1371 14.523 1372 14.267 1373 14.226 1374 14.044 1375 14.271 1376 15.307 1377 14.684 1378 14.168 1379 14.473 1380 13.578 1381 13.586 1382 13.999 1383 13.991 1384 13.710 1385 14.411 1386 13.867 1387 14.255 1388 13.611 1389 13.974 1390 13.916 1391 13.615 1392 14.440 1393 14.787 1394 15.880 1395 16.297 1396 16.289 1397 15.170 1398 16.082 1399 15.463 1400 14.366 1401 14.758 1402 14.902 1403 14.568 1404 15.158 1405 15.579 1406 13.966 1407 13.970 1408 13.772 1409 14.523 1410 14.498 1411 14.791 1412 14.007 1413 15.818 1414 13.974 1415 13.776 1416 13.760 1417 14.407 1418 14.498 1419 14.515 1420 14.341 1421 14.374 1422 13.677 1423 14.354 1424 13.223 1425 13.801 1426 14.560 1427 14.374 1428 14.494 1429 15.051 1430 14.836 1431 13.999 1432 14.341 1433 14.865 1434 15.063 1435 15.311 1436 15.765 1437 15.789 1438 15.204 1439 15.298 1440 15.257 1441 15.443 1442 14.737 1443 15.385 1444 15.723 1445 14.717 1446 15.088 1447 15.253 1448 14.477 1449 16.004 1450 14.581 1451 14.449 1452 14.993 1453 14.151 1454 14.556 1455 14.366 1456 14.601 1457 13.813 1458 14.242 1459 15.047 1460 14.919 1461 14.300 1462 15.010 1463 14.139 1464 15.001 1465 14.873 1466 15.406 1467 14.399 1468 14.671 1469 15.092 1470 14.337 1471 14.948 1472 15.047 1473 14.523 1474 14.680 1475 14.395 1476 15.661 1477 15.158 1478 15.414 1479 15.641 1480 15.909 1481 15.748 1482 14.708 1483 14.981 1484 14.659 1485 15.113 1486 14.754 1487 15.740 1488 15.327 1489 15.125 1490 15.026 1491 15.567 1492 15.265 1493 15.996 1494 16.326 1495 14.915 1496 15.831 1497 14.845 1498 15.670 1499 16.156 1500 15.864 1501 15.831 1502 16.581 1503 15.212 1504 15.534 1505 15.270 1506 15.492 1507 15.633 1508 14.420 1509 15.723 1510 14.816 1511 15.282 1512 15.641 1513 14.655 1514 14.510 1515 13.508 1516 14.172 1517 14.251 1518 13.628 1519 13.698 1520 13.405 1521 13.920 1522 13.974 1523 13.978 1524 14.238 1525 14.003 1526 13.298 1527 13.694 1528 15.005 1529 14.218 1530 14.110 1531 14.593 1532 13.916 1533 14.510 1534 14.057 1535 14.048 1536 13.673 1537 14.477 1538 14.090 1539 14.300 1540 14.374 1541 14.387 1542 14.085 1543 14.184 1544 14.597 1545 14.783 1546 15.348 1547 15.859 1548 15.835 1549 14.729 1550 15.451 1551 15.204 1552 15.022 1553 15.352 1554 14.251 1555 14.135 1556 14.609 1557 14.572 1558 15.224 1559 14.688 1560 14.618 1561 15.179 1562 14.399 1563 14.873 1564 13.652 1565 13.958 1566 15.595 1567 14.898 1568 13.595 1569 14.019 1570 15.030 1571 15.228 1572 15.241 1573 16.355 1574 14.865 1575 14.923 1576 15.542 1577 15.162 1578 14.956 1579 15.657 1580 15.208 1581 15.208 1582 15.166 1583 14.473 1584 14.052 1585 14.213 1586 14.568 1587 14.762 1588 14.288 1589 14.069 1590 13.929 1591 13.479 1592 14.044 1593 14.267 1594 14.288 1595 14.609 1596 14.362 1597 13.846 1598 14.098 1599 14.147 1600 14.783 1601 13.995 1602 13.925 1603 13.999 1604 14.688 1605 13.892 1606 15.410 1607 14.325 1608 15.241 1609 15.104 1610 14.531 1611 15.958 1612 14.597 1613 14.337 1614 14.647 1615 13.318 1616 14.424 1617 13.768 1618 14.779 1619 14.886 1620 14.065 1621 14.085 1622 14.626 1623 13.912 1624 13.487 1625 14.292 1626 13.075 1627 13.871 1628 13.850 1629 13.755 1630 14.680 1631 14.048 1632 14.601 1633 15.752 1634 14.420 1635 14.085 1636 14.230 1637 15.426 1638 16.322 1639 14.762 1640 14.882 1641 14.985 1642 14.931 1643 15.484 1644 15.843 1645 14.861 1646 14.284 1647 14.494 1648 14.935 1649 13.966 1650 14.296 1651 13.768 1652 15.001 1653 14.944 1654 15.418 1655 15.146 1656 14.915 1657 14.803 1658 14.638 1659 14.630 1660 14.052 1661 13.702 1662 14.081 1663 14.312 1664 14.197 1665 13.780 1666 14.292 1667 14.634 1668 13.768 1669 14.671 1670 14.246 1671 14.812 1672 15.216 1673 15.810 1674 14.869 1675 16.148 1676 14.977 1677 14.923 1678 15.488 1679 14.956 1680 14.098 1681 14.523 1682 15.327 1683 15.666 1684 15.554 1685 15.270 1686 15.492 1687 15.459 1688 14.754 1689 14.741 1690 14.700 1691 14.906 1692 13.904 1693 14.527 1694 15.063 1695 14.399 1696 15.096 1697 15.360 1698 15.694 1699 15.249 1700 14.779 1701 14.609 1702 15.336 1703 15.121 1704 15.154 1705 15.212 1706 14.750 1707 15.472 1708 14.164 1709 13.665 1710 14.213 1711 14.741 1712 15.521 1713 15.410 1714 14.519 1715 15.154 1716 14.597 1717 15.212 1718 14.688 1719 13.962 1720 15.109 1721 15.839 1722 15.765 1723 15.001 1724 15.389 1725 15.088 1726 14.655 1727 14.312 1728 14.824 1729 14.981 1730 13.640 1731 15.043 1732 13.953 1733 13.681 1734 14.036 1735 13.937 1736 14.832 1737 14.807 1738 14.325 1739 14.337 1740 14.680 1741 14.779 1742 14.255 1743 14.205 1744 14.024 1745 14.069 1746 15.216 1747 15.455 1748 15.447 1749 15.851 1750 15.253 1751 14.626 1752 15.294 1753 15.744 1754 15.158 1755 14.750 1756 15.319 1757 15.059 1758 15.195 1759 14.725 1760 14.609 1761 14.869 1762 15.212 1763 15.505 1764 14.634 1765 15.175 1766 14.552 1767 15.109 1768 14.312 1769 14.090 1770 14.246 1771 14.127 1772 14.667 1773 14.312 1774 14.659 1775 14.296 1776 14.527 1777 14.069 1778 15.005 1779 14.832 1780 15.146 1781 14.865 1782 14.102 1783 13.735 1784 14.510 1785 14.052 1786 14.795 1787 15.455 1788 15.298 1789 14.325 1790 14.927 1791 14.230 1792 14.230 1793 14.836 1794 15.637 1795 15.022 1796 14.473 1797 14.968 1798 14.028 1799 13.463 1800 14.151 1801 15.187 1802 15.290 1803 15.732 1804 14.985 1805 15.224 1806 16.251 1807 13.289 1808 14.420 1809 14.696 1810 14.568 1811 15.802 1812 16.082 1813 16.416 1814 16.082 1815 16.309 1816 15.967 1817 16.247 1818 15.208 1819 15.587 1820 15.323 1821 15.505 1822 14.812 1823 15.298 1824 15.022 1825 15.179 1826 15.967 1827 14.040 1828 14.449 1829 14.242 1830 14.548 1831 14.378 1832 15.137 1833 13.496 1834 14.081 1835 15.228 1836 14.700 1837 14.432 1838 14.927 1839 14.482 1840 15.175 1841 14.296 1842 14.762 1843 14.350 1844 14.770 1845 15.026 1846 14.688 1847 14.944 1848 15.088 1849 14.774 1850 14.865 1851 14.787 1852 14.527 1853 14.502 1854 15.183 1855 14.828 1856 15.270 1857 14.436 1858 14.721 1859 14.539 1860 14.407 1861 14.832 1862 14.271 1863 14.490 1864 13.953 1865 15.290 1866 14.473 1867 15.414 1868 14.440 1869 15.129 1870 15.022 1871 15.468 1872 14.993 1873 14.890 1874 14.638 1875 14.898 1876 14.993 1877 14.366 1878 14.333 1879 13.454 1880 15.369 1881 15.109 1882 15.187 1883 15.278 1884 14.308 1885 15.026 1886 15.385 1887 15.183 1888 14.127 1889 14.985 1890 15.480 1891 14.717 1892 15.773 1893 14.807 1894 15.451 1895 15.179 1896 13.780 1897 14.531 1898 13.912 1899 14.354 1900 15.290 1901 15.752 1902 14.886 1903 15.216 1904 15.938 1905 15.208 1906 14.279 1907 14.923 1908 15.022 1909 15.501 1910 15.633 1911 15.212 1912 13.648 1913 14.329 1914 15.389 1915 14.704 1916 15.983 1917 14.779 1918 14.432 1919 14.024 1920 14.040 1921 14.622 1922 15.315 1923 14.560 1924 15.835 1925 14.927 1926 14.812 1927 15.220 1928 16.433 1929 14.506 1930 14.535 1931 14.073 1932 14.440 1933 15.406 1934 14.708 1935 15.026 1936 14.106 1937 13.372 1938 14.663 1939 13.842 1940 13.879 1941 14.725 1942 14.510 1943 14.337 1944 15.133 1945 14.189 1946 14.048 1947 14.098 1948 14.923 1949 14.733 1950 14.581 1951 15.121 1952 14.073 1953 14.572 1954 14.106 1955 14.457 1956 14.849 1957 14.626 1958 15.374 1959 15.183 1960 14.970 1961 15.140 1962 15.289 1963 14.991 1964 14.395 1965 14.991 1966 15.587 1967 14.948 1968 14.948 1969 14.629 1970 15.779 1971 16.354 1972 15.247 1973 14.671 1974 15.353 1975 16.141 1976 14.586 1977 14.863 1978 15.332 1979 14.948 1980 14.906 1981 15.481 1982 14.991 1983 14.117 1984 15.353 1985 15.225 1986 15.587 1987 15.140 1988 14.863 1989 16.098 1990 15.417 1991 14.991 1992 14.096 1993 14.160 1994 15.183 1995 15.119 1996 15.630 1997 14.927 1998 15.417 1999 16.354 On Jul 17, 2005, at 10:40 PM, Jonathan Overpeck wrote: > Thanks Ricardo and Ed! I personally am not a big fan of the Jones and > Mann SH recon. It is based on so little. On the other hand, it is in > the literature. So, I leave it up to you and Keith to decide - perhaps > Eystein can weigh in too. > > I do, however, think it would be really helpful to included the > borehole data (see prev. emails) - either as a single SH curve, or > (probably better) two regional curves (Australia and S. Africa). Is > there a reason this is not a good idea? Can't complain about snow bias > down there... > > Thanks again - I look forward to seeing the next draft and figure - > complete w/ borehole I hope. > > thx, Peck > >> Hi Keith, >> >> Please, find attached my last version of the SH temp. As you know, Ed >> Cook >> returned my original version of the SH with minor comments. Overall, >> he >> agreed with the text. Still I am waiting from him the Oroco Swamp >> data to >> include in the Figure, which first draft I sent you more than a month >> ago. >> >> In the last version I have included a first paragraph referring to >> the Jones >> and Mann (2003) temperature reconstruction for the SH. At that time >> we have >> to decide if we want to have the hemispheric (Jones and Mann) and the >> regional views (Tasmania, New Zealand, Patagonia, maybe include >> Antarctica >> (Ommem et al. 2005)), or just one of them. If we decide to stay with >> the >> hemispheric view, we should include Jones and Mann reconstruction at >> the >> bottom of one of your figures. In cases that we decide to maintain >> both >> hemispheric and regional views, we should include Jones and Mann at >> the >> bottom of my figure. Please, could you check with Peck and Eystein >> to see >> the best way to proceed? Thanks, >> >> Ricardo >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Keith Briffa" >> To: ; "Eystein Jansen" >> Cc: ; "Ed Cook" >> >> Sent: Friday, July 15, 2005 11:01 AM >> Subject: the regional section and MWP Figure >> >> >>> Guys >>> still need the SH temp bit from Ricardo/ED to edit and am exploring >>> the >> MWP >>> Figure - but the concept still is unclear to me - but we agreed to >>> do a >>> plot like Tom's . The regional section is still a worry - I am >>> happy to >>> very briefly edit the section on NAO (possibly incorporate the ENSO >> stuff ) >>> but my understanding is that this section is best done (to >>> incorporate >> also >>> the regional moisture work of Ed ) by Ricardo /Ed with input my >>> Peck. This >>> is still my opinion. I also would appreciate feedback re the >>> regional >>> forcing section that I think we may have to drop - but perhaps not. >>> Therefore I ask that when i get the SH temp stuff I will >>> incorporate it >> but >>> that you guys (Peck, Ricardo, Ed and Eystein interacting over the >>> North >>> Atlantic bit) first review and redo the regional section . >>> It is important to get feedback from Henry re the borehole stuff and >>> involve Tom in the debate with all of us , of the value of the >>> Figure . In >>> meantime , will experiment with the Figure and review existing text >>> and >> bullets >>> Keith >>> >>> Keith >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Professor Keith Briffa, >>> Climatic Research Unit >>> University of East Anglia >>> Norwich, NR4 7TJ, U.K. >>> >>> Phone: +44-1603-593909 >>> Fax: +44-1603-507784 >>> >>> http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/people/briffa/ >>> >>> >>> >> >> Attachment converted: Macintosh HD:Southern hemisphere2.doc >> (WDBN/«IC») (0008A6E0) > > > -- > Jonathan T. Overpeck > Director, Institute for the Study of Planet Earth > Professor, Department of Geosciences > Professor, Department of Atmospheric Sciences > > Mail and Fedex Address: > > Institute for the Study of Planet Earth > 715 N. Park Ave. 2nd Floor > University of Arizona > Tucson, AZ 85721 > direct tel: +1 520 622-9065 > fax: +1 520 792-8795 > http://www.geo.arizona.edu/ > http://www.ispe.arizona.edu/ > > ================================== Dr. Edward R. Cook Doherty Senior Scholar and Director, Tree-Ring Laboratory Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory Palisades, New York 10964 USA Email: drdendro@ldeo.columbia.edu Phone: 845-365-8618 Fax: 845-365-8152 ==================================