cc: "Briffa Keith Prof \(ENV\)" date: Thu Sep 25 16:51:02 2008 from: Phil Jones subject: RE: FW: Schweingruber Series [FOI_08-50] to: "Tim Osborn" Tim, Keith, Looking at CA, I can see why McIntyre wants what you sent to Scott. Mike has deleted all the post 1960 values in the MXD data and infilled them with RegEM. What he wants to do is to get the original from you and then show the differences between Mike's infilled and what was originally there. Maybe you've realised this! All Mike's series are up, along with many pieces of code in Matlab. CA spend much of their time complaining about the code. Remind me never to send them any of my code! Cheers Phil At 16:03 25/09/2008, Palmer Dave Mr \(LIB\) wrote: Tim, I am happy for you to chat with Keith in regards what we actually hold, and what we actually sent (or did not send) to Mike Mann. I think it reasonable to assume that the requester is primarily interested in the data used as supporting information for the Mann study regardless of where it came from; however, we do have an obligation to provide advice and guidance so that a straight refusal and referral to whatever organisation Rutherford is associated with (should the information used by Mann not come from us) would not be appropriate without some clarification of what the requester actually wishes to see. However, first job is to determine what we have, and what we sent to whom! Cheers, Dave >-----Original Message----- >From: Tim Osborn [[1]mailto:t.osborn@uea.ac.uk] >Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 12:10 PM >To: Palmer Dave Mr (LIB) >Cc: Briffa Keith Prof (ENV); Jones Philip Prof (ENV) >Subject: Re: FW: Schweingruber Series [FOI_08-50] > >well, hope you had a good time, Dave! > >I'll talk with Keith to see what we have on this topic. > >I do know that I didn't send any data or information directly to Mike >Mann for the work that Stephen McIntyre discusses. I expect (though >I don't "know") that Mann obtained the data from Scott Rutherford, to >whom we did send some data and information for an earlier study. The >information (but not the data) sent to Rutherford for this earlier >study is already described on my webpage: ><[2]http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/~timo/datapages/mxdtrw.htm> >under the subsection Rutherford et al. (2005, Journal of Climate). > >Given that I don't know for sure that the data Mann used are >identical to the data that we hold and sent to Rutherford, I'm not >sure whether we are obliged to search our files to see if we can find >the data than were sent to Rutherford? Of course, if we tell >McIntyre this, he'll just submit an FOI for the data we sent >Rutherford. It was about 6 years ago, so I'm not sure I'd be able to >identify the files for sure anyway. > >Cheers > >Tim >At 11:00 22/09/2008, Palmer Dave Mr \(LIB\) wrote: >>Folks, >>Just got back from hols and picked this up - unfortunately, in all >>the email I receive, my cover for my FOI duties didn't pick this one >>up... Have any of you responded to Mr. McIntyre directly as >yet in any way? >>I will provide the appropriate acknowledgement of the request - >>deadline is 8 October.... >> >>Cheers, Dave >> >> >>---------- >>From: Steve McIntyre [[3]mailto:stephen.mcintyre@utoronto.ca] >>Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 3:55 AM >>To: Palmer Dave Mr (LIB) >>Cc: Osborn Timothy Dr (ENV); Briffa Keith Prof (ENV) >>Subject: Schweingruber Series >> >>Dear Mr Palmer, >> >>In the Supporting Information to Mann et al (PNAS 2008), in >>particular >><[4]http://www.pnas.org/content/suppl/2008/09/02/0805721105.DCSup>plemental/SD1.xls>[5 ]http://www.pnas.org/content/suppl/2008/09/02/ >0805721105.DCSupplemental/SD1.xls >>, a number of "Schweingruber" series are listed, with nomenclature >>such as schweingruber_mxdabd_grid11, which I presume were provided >>by Keith Briffa or Tim Osborn of the UEA. >> >>Pursuant to the Freedom of Information Act and/or Environmental >>Information REgulations, whichever is aplicable, would you please >>provide me with a digital version of these data sets in the form >>provided to Dr Mann, together with any relevant meta-data, manuals >>or literature describing the grid locations of the series and the >>method of their calculation. >> >>Thank you for your attention, >> >>Stephen McIntyre >> > >Dr Timothy J Osborn, Academic Fellow >Climatic Research Unit >School of Environmental Sciences >University of East Anglia >Norwich NR4 7TJ, UK > >e-mail: t.osborn@uea.ac.uk >phone: +44 1603 592089 >fax: +44 1603 507784 >web: [6]http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/~timo/ >sunclock: [7]http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/~timo/sunclock.htm > > > Prof. Phil Jones Climatic Research Unit Telephone +44 (0) 1603 592090 School of Environmental Sciences Fax +44 (0) 1603 507784 University of East Anglia Norwich Email p.jones@uea.ac.uk NR4 7TJ UK ----------------------------------------------------------------------------