date: Tue Feb 26 12:41:18 2002 from: Mike Hulme subject: RE: Rubbish from European Science and Environment Forum to: "Jenkins, Geoff" I've looked at the preface - all 11 'experts' are from America - strange for a European Forum eh? - with a forward from Philip Stott. The same Marshall Institute type of material with Legates, Lindzen, etc. Also discovered that the ESEF is a registered charity operating out of a small village, Barton, outside Cambridge in a house next to my sister's cottage! She tells me the guy - perhaps Roger Bate? - runs a Merc. with a Westminster car pass. Next time I visit her, I'll go a-calling. Mike At 11:17 26/02/02 +0000, you wrote: I agree. It sort of died a death so suggest let's keep it that way. Resurrecting it would do more harm than good. DEFRA haven't pressed us to do anything (which they often do), so I guess they feel the same - and they might not want us to drag it all up either. I haven't actually seen the ESEF book - has anyone? Geoff > -----Original Message----- > From: Yeatman, Andy > Sent: 26 February 2002 11:03 > To: Jenkins, Geoff; Griggs, Dave > Subject: FW: Rubbish from European Science and Environment Forum > > Any thoughts or do you think Sir John's interview was adequate. THere is > a view that replying just gives the esef report credibility which it > doesn't deserve. Also I can't think of an obvious outlet for a rebuttal > given that Simon doesn't want to reply to the press piece. > > Andy > > -----Original Message----- > From: Simon Torok [SMTP:] > Sent: 26 February 2002 10:34 > To: acyeatman@metoffice.com; catherine. cook@ukcip. org. uk > Subject: Rubbish from European Science and Environment Forum > > Dear Andy and Catherine, > > Did either of you hear the substantial (in volume, not substance) and > negative review of the IPCC report by the European Science and Environment > Forum (ESEF)? There was an article in the Daily Mail, a Stott vs Houghton > debate on Radio 4 and an item on BBC Online. I'm not aware of any > Broadsheets > picking it up. > > Have your organisations thought about a response? Considering the > approaching UKCIP02 launch, Mike thought the three of us could do a > rebuttal > to the ESEF paper (not a reply to the press piece), perhaps with input > from > the Carbon Trust who contacted us about a reply to the Daily Mail. The > press > side could be handled perhaps with a release drawing attention to our > rebuttal paper. An authoritative response with a link to the Royal > Society's > statement about the IPCC supported by international science academies > (http://www.royalsoc.ac.uk/templates/statements/StatementDetails.cfm?state > me > ntid=138) would perhaps prevent such rubbish getting any media space in > future. > > The full ESEF paper is at [1]http://www.scienceforum.net/publications.htm and > the associated release at > [2]http://www.scienceforum.net/climatechange_pr_25feb.htm They're obviously > very anti-environment, and interestingly, the 'experts' on this 'European' > panel are all in the US. > > I'd envisage a reply from us being just a couple of pages. Please let me > know if you have already started something, if you'd like to combine our > efforts, or if you feel a response is inappropriate. > > Regards, Simon. > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-Dr Simon Torok-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > External Communication Manager Phone: (01603) 593 906 > Tyndall Centre for Climate Change Research Mobile: (07880) 547 843 > School of Environmental Sciences Fax: (01603) 593 901 > University of East Anglia Email: s.torok@uea.ac.uk > Norwich, NR4 7TJ, UK Web: [3]www.tyndall.ac.uk > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-24 hour UEA media number: (01603) 592 203-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-