cc: Keith Briffa , Tom Wigley , Phil Jones , Michael Oppenheimer , Raymond Bradley , Malcolm Hughes , Jonathan Overpeck , Kevin Trenberth , Tom Crowley , Ben Santer , Steve Schneider , Caspar Ammann , hegerl@duke.edu date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 10:55:50 -0400 from: Tom Crowley subject: POLL ON SOON-BALIUNAS to: "Michael E. Mann" Hi there, we need some data on Soon and Baliunas. one of my concerns is that they only publish in low impact journals and completely bypass the normal give and take of presentations at open scientific meetings (for example, I think I have probably heard 100 presentations overall from the people on this mailing list). it is therefore very important to inquire for the sake or our exchanges with reporters/legislators etc as to how often any of you may have heard Soon or Baliunas give a talk in an open meeting, where they could defend their analyses. please respond to me as to whether you have heard either of them present something on their paleo-analyses (I think I heard Baliunas speak once on her solar-type star work, but that doesn't count). I will let you know the results of the poll so that we may all be on the same grounds with respect to the data and reporting such information to press inquiries/legislators etc. further fyi I list below the journal impact for six geophysical/climate/paleoclimate journals: Paleoceanography 3.821 J. Climate 3.250 J. Geophysical Res. (Climate) 2.245 Geophysical Research Letters 2.150 The Holocene 1.852 Climate Research 1.016 Science and Nature are much higher (26-30) but there citation numbers are I believe inflated with respect to our field because their citation ranking also includes many very widely cited biology publications. hope to hear from you soon, Tom -- Thomas J. Crowley Nicholas Professor of Earth Systems Science Dept. of Earth and Ocean Sciences Nicholas School of the Environment and Earth Sciences Box 90227 103 Old Chem Building Duke University Durham, NC 27708 tcrowley@duke.edu 919-681-8228 919-684-5833 fax