date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 10:23:27 -0500 from: "Michael E. Mann" subject: FW: please keep Canadians informed on M&M to: Keith Briffa , Phil Jones , Rbradley@geo.umass.edu I guess we should add these names too... Delivered-To: mem6u@virginia.edu User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 10:17:54 -0500 Subject: FW: please keep Canadians informed on M&M From: Mike MacCracken To: Michael Mann Mike--My Canadian friends have asked you to keep the following list informed about the M&M paper. They have to prepare a note on all this for their deputy minister today, so please do keep them informed. [Similarly, I do hope you send the note to high in US Admin] Thanks, Mike Gordon McBean gmcbean@julian.uwo.ca Henry Hengeveld henry.hengeveld@ec.gc.ca Elizabeth Bush elizabeth.bush@ec.gc.ca Francis Zwiers francis.zwiers@ec.gc.ca Doug Whelpdale Douglas.whelpdale@ec.gc.ca John Stone john.stone@ec.gc.ca Gordon McBean: Ex ADM of the Meteorological Service of Canada, current Professor and Chair in Policy Institute for Catastrophic Loss Reduction etc. Henry Hengeveld is Environment Canada's senior science advisor on Climate change and our senior spokesperson. I (Elizabeth Bush) work with Henry. John Stone works as a special advisor on climate change to our ADM. Francis Zwiers: head of Canada's modeling group. Doug Whelpdale is Director of our Climate Research Branch (Francis' director). Elizabeth Bush is Climate Change Science Advisor in the Science Assessment and Integration Branch, Meteorological Service of Canada, 4905 Dufferin St. , Downsview, ON, CANADA M3H 5T4, Phone: 416-739-4332, Fax: 416-739-4882, Email: Elizabeth.bush@ec.gc.ca -----Original Message----- From: Mike MacCracken [[1]mailto:mmaccrac@comcast.net] Sent: October 30, 2003 8:57 PM To: Elizabeth Bush; Gordon McBean Subject: FW: check out who he cc's these to... Fwd: Proposal that Nature consider withdrawing Mann,Bradley, Hughes 1998 Dear Elizabeth and Gordon--This is nominally confidential, but I think you should know about it as things could get pretty ugly pretty fast and I leave tomorrow afternoon for a few days of mtgs in Texas and CA, so want to make sure this gets to you. Feel free to contact Mike Mann if you need more info. Mike ---------- From: "Michael E. Mann" Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 15:56:28 -0500 To: mann@multiproxy.evsc.virginia.edu Cc: "raymond s. bradley" , "Malcolm Hughes" , Keith Briffa , Tim Osborn , Mike MacCracken , Michael Oppenheimer , mann@multiproxy.evsc.virginia.edu, Stephen H Schneider Subject: Fwd: check out who he cc's these to... Fwd: Proposal that Nature consider withdrawing Mann,Bradley, Hughes 1998 Keith/Tim/Ray/Malcolm/Phil: Our email response will have to go out ASAP (we're preparing for a mass emailing tomorrow). To those not yet in the know (please keep it confidential), we can now show that M&M censored most of our early data in their "improved" data set, by replacing longer series we had used (that go back to the 15th century), with "better" shorter versions that only go back to the 17th century. By doing so, they selectively deleted all of our proxy series that indicate significant 15th-16th century cooling. NOT KIDDING! They justified this by claiming they couldn't find the older data in the public domain, though we can cite two public sources where all these data were available. Removing the proxy data that they removed, we reproduce the anomalous warm spike result--but we can show that the resulting reconstruction completely fails the standard statistical verification tests, while our original reconstruction of course passed them fairly well. Its pretty serious stuff, and we're going to talk to Nature about doing a story on this. And there may be a need for a formal investigation into scientific dishonesty--but not quite the one the authors have in mind... mike X-Sender: sepp@mail.his.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 08:49:56 -0500 To: smcintyre@cgxenergy.com, rmckitri@uoguelph.ca From: "S. Fred Singer" Subject: Proposal that Nature consider withdrawing Mann,Bradley, Hughes 1998 Cc: seitz@rockvax.rockefeller.edu, cstarr@epri.com, art@oism.org, rlindzen@mit.edu, wsoon@cfa.harvard.edu, sbaliunas@cfa.harvard.edu, pabelson@aaas.org, dek@uclink4.berkeley.edu, fspilhaus@agu.org, jmarburg@ostp.eop.gov, James.R.Mahoney@noaa.gov, Vicki.Horton@noaa.gov Gentlemen I have now studied yr rejoinder to the rather inadequate reply from Michael Mann to yr devastating critique (in Energy & Environment) of the underlying data relating to the "Hockeystick" (the temperature history that has been used by the IPCC and others to suggest that the 20th century was the warmest in 1000 years). [See http://www.uoguelph.ca/~rmckitri/res earch/trc.html ] [I had earlier served as a referee of yr basic paper published in E&E (Oct 2003), and subsequently spent several hours with Steve McIntyre to carefully review its main points. See www.climate2003.com/index.html ] I propose that NATURE be asked to appoint an independent panel of statisticians, econometricians, (and others NOT connected in any way with climate studies) to conduct an investigation of the MBH98 paper and its critique by McIntyre and McKitrick. The purpose would be to determine the need to formally withdraw the paper. This request to Nature should be signed by a large number of scientists, including, if possible, members of the Royal Society and other academies, editors of scientific journals, and public figures, such as scientific advisers to presidents and prime ministers. Pls note that I am not suggesting culpability on the part of Mann or his coauthors. They might not even have been aware of the gross mishandling of the data used in their publications. Nor can one fault individual scientists connected to the IPCC -- since IPCC accepts publication in a peer-reviewed journal as prima facie endorsement of its correctness. The chief responsibility now lies with the editors of NATURE. Yr comments on this proposal are most welcome. Fred Singer S. Fred Singer, Ph.D. President, The Science & Environmental Policy Project (SEPP) 1600 S. Eads St., Suite 712-S Arlington, VA 22202-2907 e-mail: singer@sepp.org Web: [2]www.sepp.org <[3]http://www.sepp.org/> Tel: 703-920-2744 E-fax 815-461-7448; notify by e-mail before sending ****************************************** "The improver of natural knowledge absolutely refuses to acknowledge authority, as such. For him, scepticism is the highest of duties; blind faith the one unpardonable sin." > Thomas H. Huxley ********** "If the facts change, I'll change my opinion. What do you do, sir? " >J. M. Keynes *********** ______________________________________________________________ Professor Michael E. Mann Department of Environmental Sciences, Clark Hall University of Virginia Charlottesville, VA 22903 _______________________________________________________________________ e-mail: mann@virginia.edu Phone: (434) 924-7770 FAX: (434) 982-2137 [4]http://www.evsc.virginia.edu/faculty/people/mann.shtml ______________________________________________________________ Professor Michael E. Mann Department of Environmental Sciences, Clark Hall University of Virginia Charlottesville, VA 22903 _______________________________________________________________________ e-mail: mann@virginia.edu Phone: (434) 924-7770 FAX: (434) 982-2137 [5]http://www.evsc.virginia.edu/faculty/people/mann.shtml