date: Fri Jan 16 14:12:04 2004 from: Phil Jones subject: RE: FWD: 2003RG000143 Decision Letter to: "Michael E. Mann" Mike, Great. Merging should be OK. Your alterations should only be in a few sections. You'll be able to make other changes after we've merged everything in the areas that I work on. So note these as you go along. Merging the responses will be straightforward. So later I can make one big pdf of the revised submission, can you get Scott to produce .ps and .pdf of all four figures that you're doing. What about a Figure on the PDO? I think this is still a bit premature - is there something to compare or are they too different (in the sense that the real series is still not that accepted). We needn't do everything and a figure would add more space. Amazing that Rev 1 hadn't read SB !! Cheers Phil At 08:59 16/01/2004 -0500, you wrote: Thanks Phil, This sounds good--I'll get working on those sections/figures you mention below, and then we can merge changes--I'll also draft my responses to various comments, which you can merge w/ your own. All my changes will be in yellow highlighting. I'm mostly arround through mid feb (other than Jan 28-Feb 1) so shouldn't be a problem to get this done. talk to you soon, mike At 01:56 PM 1/16/2004 +0000, Phil Jones wrote: Mike, Hoped to have got this email to you earlier, but CC and a couple of other pressing things came along. I'm away from Sunday till Thursday inc. What are your movements over the next few weeks? I'll be here from Jan 27 onwards and next Friday. I'll try and get a version to you after my week in Geneva. I'll have the laptop and hopefully we won't get worked as hard as we were in Holland this week. I'll be working with the submitted double-spaced draft. I think I'll be able to do most things. I'm leaving you though with those on corals, boreholes and Esper et al. So, if you want to make a start on these ... I won't be able to chase up the additional references whilst in Geneva, but will do that when I get back. So, I plan to do all other comments, including those on bias, SB etc. I'll highlight all the paras where I make changes etc. As for the Figures, 2,6 and 7 seem unscathed. When I'm back I'll work on colours for 4. This leaves you with 1, 3, 5 and 8. For Fig 1 just need to make it clearer. You will be changing 3 and 5 anyway. For 8 an inset seems like a good idea - especially if we can get the cover. I was surprised 7 got no comments - I'm still a little worried by this. Gavin's comments will help here. I think we have got away quite well - 2 signed reviews and 2 others that were good. I will play up to this in the response to Tom Torgerson. As for size I'll try and reduce repetition a little, but won't go overboard. I think we've got away with it !!!! - this was my one big fear. I plan to add in a sentence or two at the beginning of section 2 saying we emphasize weaknesses as this is where the issues are. I've an idea what to write. As for MM, I think a couple of sentences are all that is required - something along the lines of the points I made to CC, simple averaging gets the same result etc, therefore MM is wrong. Anyway you'll see it all. Does all this sound OK ? Hopefully Scott will be helpful and can find the time for the Feb 17 date. I think we can do all by email - but we can always call after about Feb 5 if it will speed things up. I have to also do the EUG as well - deadline for submission has been extended to Jan 27 as usual ! If you ever do want to call the number is below. Home is +44 1953 605643 - in most nights except Tues/Weds. I'll be checking email whilst in Geneva but won't be able to see attachments. Cheers Phil PS Just got the marked copy from Kim Cobb - doesn't appear much more than in the review. Will acknowledge her and Dave by name. At 12:25 14/01/2004 -0500, you wrote: Thanks Phil, This sounds good--there are clearly places where I'll need to take a lead role in the revisions--the comments on the Cobb et al coral stuff, the comments on the Mann and Jones, Esper et al, and borehole stuff (which I'll try both to update and address the reviewers concerns). And I'll take the responsibility for updating all figures that I had a lead role on (i.e. Fig 3, 5, 8). I plan to redo the Mann and Jones 1981-1995 w/out using persistence of disappearing series, to insure it doesn't make a difference. Perhaps we're a bit too focused on Soon/Baliunas and the terms LIA and MWP--the reviewers seem to thinkw we've gone a bit overboard here. perhaps, and should also try to make slightly more general statements about inappropriate methods as reviewer suggests--here I'd like to comment briefly also on the McIntyre & McCormick paper, since reviewer B raises the issue. So I'll wait for a revised version from you, and then try to add in my own revisions, focusing on these things, and anything else you bring to my attention. Enjoy Geneva! mike At 05:05 PM 1/14/2004 +0000, f028 wrote: Mike, I'll pick up a copy on Friday and take with my laptop to Geneva on Sunday. I should be able to isolate which responses I will need help on. Still not looked through in detail but the preliminary sentences for each reviewer seem favourable. If there are any issues re Scott's figures can you get in touch with him. More on Friday. 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