cc: Tim Osborn date: Mon Dec 16 08:52:20 2002 from: Keith Briffa subject: Re: Manuscript Files to: Ed Cook ED sorry I thought the text had already been sent. I attach it. Re the modelling fucking up the recent submissions - I am sending you (later today) also a couple of proposals we have just had funded. Is it possible you can include some analysis of the these model runs (albeit from European Modelling institutes?). As you can see , the only plans in this context are to do 500 year runs , but they incorporate control, natural , and natural+anthropogenic runs. You can argue that the common "natural " runs use forcings that may not be correct (ie land use change is a problem in my opinion , and the volcanic forcing put together by Tom Crowley could be disputed), but virtually the same forcings are used in both models and this allows inter-model sensitivities to be examined. You can have access to these results and anyway you are explicitly a collaborator on these contracts . We would need to talk about who would do analyses of the model/data but this might offer something alternative to deflect the model critics over there - this is probably a model group conflict thing. best wishes Keith At 11:31 AM 12/13/02 -0500, you wrote: Hi Keith, Did you intend only to send me the figures and not the ms? Send me the ms to if you can. Otherwise, I can't proceed with my review of it. I think that you are off the INQUA hook. I thought that the Organizing Committee had accepted my proposed symposium on supra-long tree-ring chronologies based on email with them last Spring. Of course I have done fuck-all on it since which may have been just as well. I went to the INQUA website today ([1]http://inqua2003.dri.edu/symposia.htm) and did not find any reference to my proposed symposium. So I guess it is not going to happen. Probably I should have contacted them before to let them know that I was still intending to do it. Anyway, it is almost certainly too late now. I must say that I am not shedding any tears over it. I've got much too much to do and have been receiving a number of proposal rejections lately that have me a bit depressed. That includes the big drought proposal with you and Tim as sub-contractors. We got fucked because of the modelling part again. The proposal will be re-submitted to ESH on Jan 15. Cheers, Ed -- ================================== Dr. Edward R. Cook Doherty Senior Scholar and Director, Tree-Ring Laboratory Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory Palisades, New York 10964 USA Email: drdendro@ldeo.columbia.edu Phone: 845-365-8618 Fax: 845-365-8152 ================================== -- Professor Keith Briffa, Climatic Research Unit University of East Anglia Norwich, NR4 7TJ, U.K. Phone: +44-1603-593909 Fax: +44-1603-507784 [2]http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/people/briffa[3]/