cc: Eystein Jansen date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 17:52:02 -0700 from: Jonathan Overpeck subject: Re: [Wg1-ar4-ch06] IPCC last 2000 years data to: Keith Briffa Hi Keith - Thanks - hope your Christmas break is/was good. I'm in the midst of the holiday too, and not likely able to spend too much time on IPCC until just after the new year - thereafter, I'll be 100% focused on it. However, given the importance of the section you're working on, I'll try to give some helpful feedback... see BOLD comments below. Many thanks for keeping things going - it sounds like you're doing an excellent job. Will you be around and able to help with the chapter during the first two weeks of Jan? That would be great! Thanks - see BELOW - Peck >Peck and Eystein >I have to break off now for the christmas period >This is unavoidable. I am sending what I have now >even though I am not at all happy with it. >It is obviously only part way there. Getting the data >to produce Figures and work out how to design them >is going to be time very consuming >and I will rely entirely on Tim here to do them MY GUESS IS THAT YOUR FIGURES WILL BE AMONG THE MOST IMPORTANT OF THE WHOLE AR4, SO THANKS FOR WORKING SO HARD ON THEM. SAY THANKS TO TIM TOO! >- and the regional input >stuff if wanted will need input from a number of people >that I have not been able to contact (see later) > The borehole discussion (contributed to by Henry Pollack) will need >batting around and Henry (and Mike , who contributed >a section on regional forced changes) will need to be kept >on board. YES, VERY DELICATE I SUPPOSE. THE TRICK MIGHT BE TO LET THEM DISAGREE WHERE THEY DO, BUT TO HIGHLIGHT WHERE THEY DO AGREE - EG THAT THE LATE 20TH CENTURY IS WARMEST OF X YEARS. HAVE TO BALANCE OUT ED'S LATEST TOO. BUT, YOU'RE MORE UP ON THIS THAN ANYONE, SO JUST LET ME KNOW IF I CAN HELP - IF THINGS GET HAIRY WITH MIKE AND HENRY, I CAN HELP - HAVE GOOD RELATIONSHIPS W/ BOTH. >There will be loads to say on the simulated >temperature histories and Tim will help here also > - but much is unpublished or >even unanalysed (hence Simon and Eduardo will need >to contribute eventually). LOOK FORWARD TO THIS - IT'S IMPORTANT. ACCORDING TO DAVID RIND, JUDITH LEAN FEELS STRONGLY THAT THE SOLAR RECONS OF THE PAST CENTURIES MAY BE COMPLETE BUNK. I'M TRYING TO GET THE INPUT SHE PROVIDED AS LA TO THE RADIATION CHAPTER - SHE'S HAVING SOME SERIOUS PERSONAL DISTRACTIONS NOW, BUT HOPE TO HAVE MORE TO SHARE WITH YOU AND OTHERS SOON. I WOULD NOT WAIT BEFORE ENGAGING ALL THAT YOU THINK ARE NEEDED TO DO A GOOD JOB. WHAT ABOUT CASPAR AMMAN TOO? HE HAS SOME GOOD LONG RUNS AND INSIGHTS, BUT ISN'T TOO GOOD ABOUT PUBLISHING. >The glacier bit at the end is what >Olga sent and I have not had time to work through it. I'LL READ - SHOULD WE ASK FOR SOMEONE ELSE TO LOOK AT IT - LIKE LONNIE. I CAN'T SAY UNTIL I READ (AND I'M VERY SORRY I DON'T HAVE READING TIME NOW), BUT WE WANT ALL THE IMPORTANT (SENSATIVE) PARTS OF OUR CHAPTER TO BE AS STRONG AS POSSIBLE. HARD TO IMAGINE NOT HAVING LONNIE'S INPUT - BUT I'LL RESERVE JUDGEMENT UNTIL I READ. ON THE OTHER HAND, BETTER FOR YOU TO SEEK OUT HELP AND SECOND OPINIONS AS SOON AS YOU CAN GIVEN THE SHORT AMOUNT OF TIME LEFT (MID JAN) BEFORE WE HAVE TO HAND THINGS IN. >You two need to give some direction as to how >much you wish to have explicitly looking at the mass of >NAO?AO reconstructions , ditto ENSO or PDO and all the >simulations of these - but at this stage not sure where in overall >plan all this going. I THINK THESE "MODES" OF CLIMATE VARIABILITY AND THEIR POSSIBLE INFLUENCES (E.G., ENSO CHANGES ON N. AMERICAN DROUGHT) NEED TO BE CONSIDERED FOR SURE. IF THE DATA ARE INCONCLUSIVE, WE SHOULD SAY SO, BUT IF THE DATA SAY THAT THE ENSO SYSTEM HAS CHANGED SYSTEMATICALLY, THEN WE NEED TO ACCESS THAT TOO. TALKING TO JULIE, SHE AGREES THAT THE EVIDENCE FOR CHANGE IN BOTH THE TROPICAL PACIFIC, THE TROPICAL INDIAN OCEAN, AND RESULTING DROUGHT IMPACTS ARE ALL SIGNIFICANT OR AT LEAST WORTHY OF CAREFUL ASSESSMENT. PERHAPS THE BEST GAME PLAN WOULD BE TO QUICKLY ASSESS AND OUTLINE THE MAIN POINTS FOR EACH: - ENSO AND TROPICAL PACIFIC OCEAN (JULIE AND PECK) - TROPICAL INDIAN OCEAN (JULIE AND PECK) ----- (BOTTOM LINE ON BOTH THE ABOVE IS THAT UNPRECIDENTED CHANGES APPEAR TO BE TAKING PLACE, AND THAT THESE CHANGES DO SEEM TO MAKE SENSE IN THE CONTEXT OF GW. MOREOVER, THEY DO SEEM TO BE INFLUENCING DROUGHT OVER N. AMERICA AND N. AFRICA - CAN'T SAY WITH GREAT CONFIDENCE THAT THE DROUGHTS ARE CAUSED, OR EXTENDED, OR DEEPENED BY GW, BUT IT IS SUGGESTIVE. JULIE AND I CAN SAY MORE.) - TROPICAL ATLANTIC (PECK AND JULIE - EYSTEIN - DO YOU KNOW MUCH ON THIS TOPIC?) - RECENT CHANGE DOESN'T SEEM TO BE ANYTHING OUT OF NORMAL RANGE OF VARIABILITY). - NORTH ATLANTIC/NAO/AO (KEITH, ED, EYSTEIN??) WHAT'S THE STORY??? - PDO - WHO? MALCOLM? ED? (KEITH CAN YOU LEAD) - I SUSPECT THAT THE STORY IS INCONCLUSIVE??? WHAT DO YOU THINK??? - ASIAN MONSOON (PECK AND RAMESH) - THERE IS SOME EVIDENCE THAT THE MONSOON IS STREGTHENING (WIND STRESS OVER ARABIAN SEA) AND THAT THE DRIER MARGINS OF THE S. ASIAN MONSOON ARE GETTING WETTER, WHEREAS OTHER AREAS OF S. (INDIAN) MONSOON PPT ARE NOT CHANGING. DATA ON E. ASIAN MONSOON APPEAR TO BE LESS CLEAR. - WEST AFRICAN MONSOON (PECK - ANYONE ELSE KNOW ANYTHING? - I HAVE UNPUBLISHED DATA TO BE PUBLISHED - I PRAY - BEFORE END OF SUMMER - DOES APPEAR THAT THE MONSOON IS STRENGTHENING IN CONCERT, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, WITH THE S. ASIAN MONSOON - HAVE TO SEE HOW PEER-REVIEW OF OUR NEW WEST AFRICAN RECORD DOES) - RELATION OF THE ABOVE TO DROUGHT (NORTH AMERICAN AND AFRICAN - JULIE AND PECK - SEE ABOVE - THERE IS EVIDENCE THAT "THE PERFECT OCEAN FOR DROUGHT" IS A LATE 20TH CENTURY FEATURE DRIVEN BY GHGS) > Do we really want a discussion on MWP >and LIA per se ? I THINK WE HAVE TO PROVIDE THE DEFINITIVE WORD ON THESE - ESPECIALLY THE MWP AND THE LIKELIHOOD THAT MWP WARMTH IS AN ANALOG OR NOT FOR LATE 20TH CENTURY WARMTH, AND THUS EVIDENCE THAT NATURAL PROCESSES CAN EXPLAIN THE RECENT WARMTH (EVEN IF WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THOSE PROCESSES WERE/ARE). HOW DOES THE RECENT WARMTH COMPARE TO MWP - BOTH IN TIME AND SPACE (WAS IT GLOBALLY SYNCHRONOUS WARMTH??). WHAT ABOUT FORCING. WE NEED TO HIT THIS ONE HEAD ON. >The regional descriptions , including Southern Hemisphere >could be infinite length and I suppose we should only discuss longest or >pre assimilated information - but will need specific input here from >colleagues >if we are to do these regional (including precipitation ) sections . >I know Julie and Ed , and presumably Eystein , will be the best people to ask. >I am attaching the current text and placeholder ideas for Figures . WE SHOULD FOCUS ON THE MOST COMPELLING, BUT BEWARE BEING CHARGED WITH BIASES SUCH AS N HEM BIAS, ETC. WOULD BE GREAT TO WORK IN REGIONS TO MWP VS RECENT DISCUSSION, FOR EXAMPLE. ALSO, SEE MY LIST ABOVE - ARE THERE OTHER REGIONS THAT WE SHOULD CONSIDER - S. HEMISPHERE? RICARDO CAN BE A BIG HELP HERE, ALSO ED NO DOUBT. >Not feasible to work more on these until know wider priorities re space. YOUR SECTION IS THE MOST, OR AT LEAST ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT OF THE CHAPTER. I THINK WE CAN DEVOTE MORE SPACE IF NEEDED, AND ALSO CAN BOIL THINGS DOWN ONCE WE HAVE IT ALL IN PERSPECTIVE. >Have had bad experience with ENDNOTE - and Tom Melvin here will forward >the biblio file later. >I wanted to do more , but that is all I can manage til after Xmas > >Here is wishing you (and your loved ones) all the best >Keith READING YOUR PROSE IS A TOP PRIOIRTY, AFTER SENDING THIS AND A COUPLE OTHER "FEEDBACK" EMAILS. THANKS SO MUCH FOR WORKING SO HARD ON THIS, AND FOR BEING PROACTIVE IN BRINGING IN THE OTHER EXPERTS THAT ARE NEEDED. BEST, PECK >Professor Keith Briffa, >Climatic Research Unit >University of East Anglia >Norwich, NR4 7TJ, U.K. > >Phone: +44-1603-593909 >Fax: +44-1603-507784 > > >Attachment converted: Macintosh HD:ipccFAR-6-3-2-1Fig1.pdf (PDF >/CARO) (000C14D6) >Attachment converted: Macintosh HD:ipccFAR-6-3-2-1Fig3.pdf (PDF >/CARO) (000C14D8) >Attachment converted: Macintosh HD:IPCCFAR_6-3-2-1_ 22-12-04 .doc >(WDBN/MSWD) (000C14D9) -- Jonathan T. 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