cc: p.jones@uea.ac.uk,"Keith Briffa" date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 12:42:21 +0100 from: Clare Goodess subject: Re: [Fwd: Climate discussion on Friday] to: P.Jones@uea.ac.uk,"Tim Osborn" Hi Tim Thanks for this. Have made some minor suggested changes to attached. I know that responding to skeptics is time consuming - but not sure it is a research issue, so maybe not appropriate to include. Though I guess it's wrapped up in communication issues which are already mentioned. Clare At 08:02 30/04/2009, P.Jones@uea.ac.uk wrote: > Tim, > Seems fine! Change Humidity to Relative Humidity. > > Also there is responding to the skeptic claims > - as Andrew Dlugolecki has had to do. > > This can be media, journal papers etc. Why it hasn't > warmed much over the last few years is one such thing. > > Solar Constant now is 1361 W/m*m! AR5 runs will go with > whatever they have now, as it will take modelling centres > 1-2 years to retune their models. Most have 1366-1370! > > Cheers > Phil > > > Hi Phil, Keith and Clare, > > > > Clare and I discussed this and thought we could put together a short > > statement to help set the scene for Friday's discussion. > > > > We can perhaps even circulate paper copies at the meeting on Friday > > (Alistair didn't ask for a powerpoint presentation), or at least use > > it ourselves when introducing our ideas about climate research in the > > next decade. > > > > I've put together the attached document, drawing in some of Phil's > > suggestions (datasets, drought, humidity decline, re-analysis) and > > some ideas from Clare. > > > > What do you think? Too long? Wrong direction/emphasis? Omitting > > anything major? > > > > Comments or tracked changes welcome! > > > > Tim > > > > At 13:33 28/04/2009, P.Jones@uea.ac.uk wrote: > >> Tim, Clare, > >> Not that keen on tipping points! > >> > >> The big questions in my mind are: > >> > >> - follow up from UKCP09 > >> - keeping CRU datasets up to date (may not be new, but this keeps the > >> CRU > >> name in the forefront) > >> - CRU datasets are used by many as there source of what is happening. > >> We > >> need to watch them as well. This involves some media and other > >> responses > >> to counter skeptics > >> - adding PDSI to the list we monitor > >> - explaining why there has been a dramatic decline in RH in the past 3 > >>years (this is very, very new!) > >> - improving the input data that enters Reanalyses (these will > >> eventually be that good, that we will be monitoring extremes > >> using Reanalyses within a 10-year timeframe) > >> > >> Amend and add. Probably needs a paleo one or two > >> and some from our EPSRC/EU projects. > >> > >> I do think the skeptics are going to make a big effort in the > >> coming year or two. Science may appear to be done and dusted, > >> but there are still loads of skeptics out there. > >> > >> Can you prepare a couple of ppt, as I won't have time. > >> > >> > >> Doesn't look as though there is an agenda coming from Bob, Trevor. > >> > >> Cheers > >> Phil > >> > >>---------------------------- Original Message > >> ---------------------------- > >>Subject: Climate discussion on Friday > >>From: "Alastair Grant" > >>Date: Tue, April 28, 2009 12:41 pm > >>To: "'Jordan Andy Prof \(ENV\)'" > >> "'Andrew Watson'" > >> "'Phil Jones'" > >> t.osborn@uea.ac.uk > >> "'M Hulme'" > >> "'Turner Kerry Prof \(ENV\)'" > >>-------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > >>As you know, we have a roundtable discussion about climate on Friday > >>afternoon. Can I ask you to think in advance about what you see as the > >> key > >>research questions and unsolved problems that climate research will have > >> to > >>address over the next decade? Think about the issues that require > >>integration across disciplines as well as the problems that are specific > >> to > >>your particular discipline. Don't confine yourself to the things that we > >>currently do, and please do discuss these questions with colleagues > >>beforehand. > >> > >> > >> > >>Andy (Watson) - it would be helpful if you could say a bit about the > >>"tipping points" ideas as well as your other activities. > >> > >> > >> > >>Please come along ready to summarise your ideas in a couple of minutes - > >> we > >>aren't looking for research seminars, or presentations of past > >> achievements, > >>so there is no need to prepare powerpoint presentations. We're wanting > >> to > >>do a "foresight" exercise, to identify the next big questions and how we > >> can > >>contribute towards answering the big questions. There will be space > >> for > >>others to contribute their thoughts, but we did want to prompt your > >> thinking > >>in advance to make sure that we tap into the thoughts of key players from > >>across the disciplines represented in ENV. > >> > >> > >> > >>I'm sending this out because Jacquie is away, but it comes from us both. > >> If > >>you have any questions, please give me a call. > >> > >> > >> > >>Alastair > >> > >>_________________________________________ > >> > >> > >> > >>Professor Alastair Grant > >> > >>Deputy Head of School > >> > >>School of Environmental Sciences > >> > >>University of East Anglia, Norwich, NR4 7TJ, UK > >> > >>Phone +44 1603 592537 > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Dr Timothy J Osborn, Academic Fellow > > Climatic Research Unit > > School of Environmental Sciences > > University of East Anglia > > Norwich NR4 7TJ, UK > > > > e-mail: t.osborn@uea.ac.uk > > phone: +44 1603 592089 > > fax: +44 1603 507784 > > web: http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/~timo/ > > sunclock: http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/~timo/sunclock.htm > > > > Dr Clare Goodess Climatic Research Unit School of Environmental Sciences University of East Anglia Norwich NR4 7TJ UK Tel: +44 -1603 592875 Fax: +44 -1603 507784 Web: http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/ http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/~clareg/clare.htm Attachment Converted: "c:\eudora\attach\Climate research - view from CRU_CMG.doc"