cc: Phil Jones , "Sheppard Sylv Miss ((SCI))" date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 10:40:52 +0000 from: Ian Harris subject: Re: Climate Normals Dataset to: HVeregin@RandMcNally.com Hi Howard, You are welcome to use the CL 2.0 dataset - which, as Phil explains below, is just a Climatology. If you wish to also use the global gridded dataset, the current version is 2.1 and the forthcoming version is 3.0. CRU CL 2.0 http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/data/tmc.htm CRU TS 2.1 http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/data/hrg/cru_ts_2.10/ Note that for TS 2.10, the dataset is available in two formats. The original, cell-by-cell format is at the top level, and a newer timestep-by-timestep version is in the 'newly_gridded' directory. Hope that helps, Cheers Harry On 15 Jan 2008, at 9:20, Phil Jones wrote: > > Howard, > We have a new version (3.0) which isn't that different from the > version 2.0 > on our web site. > I'm cc'ing Ian Harris on this email, as he's producing this. > This is just > the high-resolution grids. We won't be doing the country series > this time > as we don't have the resources. > If you just want the climatology (i.e. no time series) then the > link to CRU CL 2.0 > will be fine for you and you're welcome to use it. Just > acknowledge the New et al. > reference for the climatology. > > The new version is an update (to 2007) and includes more recent > data from the 1990s > onwards and additional data we've received in the last 5 years. > The climatology > we use for 1961-90 hasn't been altered. > > Cheers > Phil > > > At 18:09 14/01/2008, you wrote: >> Dear Phil, >> >> I am the editor of Goode's World Atlas, a print atlas that my company >> (Rand McNally) publishes for the university market (primarily U.S.). >> >> We are updating the atlas for the 22nd edition, which is to be >> published >> in 2009. We intend to update numerous climate maps in the atlas, >> including >> >> - World climate regions (Koppen or similar classification) based on >> current climate normals >> - World precipitation and temperature >> - Precipitation and temperature for the continents >> - Precipitation and temperature for specific countries >> - Possibly a variety of other maps as well, including precipitation >> variability, temperature ranges, relative humidity, sunshine >> probability, and other variables, at the world, continental, and >> country >> scales >> >> I've taken a look at the CRU CL 2.0 dataset, and it seems to work >> quite >> well for these purposes. Mark New (see thread below) suggested I >> contact >> you about extending permission to use the data. >> >> We would initially be publishing these maps in the 22nd edition of >> Goode's World Atlas. Typically, the maps would continue to be >> published >> until they are again updated, which is normally many editions. >> Also, we >> may make a digital version of the maps available to professors, or >> as a >> separate product. Finally, it is likely that the maps would end up >> being >> used for other products as well, such as educational wall maps or >> desk >> maps, our on-line digital map service, and in non-Rand McNally >> atlases >> or textbooks where we supply cartography only. >> >> I'm writing, then, to request permission to use the CRU CL 2.0 data >> (http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/data/tmc.htm) for the preparation of >> both >> print and electronic versions of our climate maps, initially for the >> 22nd edition of Goode's World Atlas but also for subsequent >> editions of >> the atlas, as well as for the other products I've described above. >> >> Since we are a commercial publisher, if arrangements need to be >> made to >> license the data, please let me know the details. >> >> If citation/attribution is required please let me know if any special >> wording is required. Otherwise we will cite >> >> New, M., Lister, D., Hulme, M. and Makin, I., 2002: A high-resolution >> data set of surface climate over global land areas. Climate Research >> 21:1-25 >> (http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/~timm/grid/CRU_CL_2_0.html). >> >> Thank you for your efforts in advance. >> >> Howard >> >> >> Howard Veregin, Ph.D. >> Director, Geographic Information Services >> Editor, Goode's World Atlas >> Rand McNally >> 8255 North Central Park Ave. >> Skokie, IL 60076 >> hveregin@randmcnally.com >> 847-329-6736 >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Mark New [mailto:mark.new@ouce.ox.ac.uk] >> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 8:32 AM >> To: Veregin, Howard >> Subject: RE: Climate Normals Dataset >> >> Dear Howard, >> >> I think there would not be a problem using CRU data for maps - for >> instance >> they have been used in other publications / atlases, such as the >> atlas >> of >> desertification. >> >> For oceans, you would have to rely on other sources - I suggest >> one of >> the >> satellite products. >> >> If you do decide to use the CRU data, please contact Phil Jones at >> CRU >> (p.jones@uea.ac.uk) as he is the custodian of the data (I no >> longer work >> at >> CRU, though am still involved in updating the data). >> >> Mark >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Veregin, Howard [mailto:HVeregin@RandMcNally.com] >> Sent: 22 June 2007 16:38 >> To: mark.new@geog.ox.ac.uk >> Subject: Climate Normals Dataset >> >> Greetings >> >> >> >> I'm interested in one of your global 10-minute datasets. Rand McNally >> (the >> company I work for) publishes a university atlas called Goode's World >> Atlas, >> for which I am the Editor. In preparation for a new edition coming >> out >> in >> 2009 we are considering updating some of our global climate maps >> showing >> precipitation and temperature. The CRU CL 2.0 dataset seems like it >> might >> suit us quite well. However, >> >> >> >> (a) Since we are a commercial publisher, what sort of >> arrangements >> would >> need to be made to license the data, assuming this is even possible? >> >> (b) Our current maps show temp and precip over oceans as well as >> land. >> Are there any plans to extend coverage of climate variables to oceans >> for >> the CRU CL datasets?? >> >> >> >> Thanks in advance for your help. >> >> >> >> Howard >> >> >> >> >> >> Howard Veregin, PhD >> >> Director, GIS Operations >> >> Rand McNally & Co. >> >> Skokie, Illinois >> >> 847-329-6736 >> >> hveregin@randmcnally.com >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> >> This E-mail is confidential. It should not be read, copied, >> disclosed or >> used by any person other than the intended recipient. Unauthorized >> use, >> disclosure or copying by whatever medium is strictly prohibited >> and may >> be >> unlawful. 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