date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 22:51:47 +0100 from: Wolfgang Cramer subject: Re: AMS-Europe - WP1.3 to: Mike Hulme , Rik Leemans , Rik Leemans Dear Mike, this time to you and Rik only: I am having second thoughts about the thing below. I recognise that it might not be easy to extract those 75k from either John or Jonathan's WPs in AMS. Hence I wonder: if I convinced Rik to provide some of that sum out of 1.3, would it help? I think it should be possible, but perhaps not for the total. In your notes, you mention us as possible recipient of that money: I am not so sure about that. Despite not knowing what Tim and you have concluded about Tim's visit to PIK, I rather feel that this is a CRU/Tyndall only job. If specific PIK resources are considered helpful (e.g. some of the long term records) then we should be able to provide those to you (and hence "ourselves") free of charge. I also wonder what the Paris role could be for the climate information: Hallegatte mentions IPSL, but what could they contribute? If it's just another set of GCM runs, then those should come free of charge, I think. If additional partners are needed, then I sometimes wonder about Tim Carter - isn't he sort of a co-owner of your approach? So hence I am voting, not for a work package, but for a clearly identifiable activity, led by you or Tim, for the climate information - receiving those 75k from two places, WP1.3 and another one which yet needs to be identified (I'll keep looking for it, but it MIGHT perhaps be one of Tyndall WPs). Does that sound useful? Best wishes, Wolfgang On 27/03/03 17:35, Wolfgang Cramer wrote: > Dear Mike, > > you know how much I am in favour of this - so thank you very much for > making this more specific than I would be able to do myself. > > From a management point of view, I would nevertheless support Carlo's > views as follows > > - we stick to the fixed budget size WP structure (and probably also to > the list of WPs we have now) > > - the 75k for the work of Tim Mitchell (which Carlo, too, thinks are > very well justified) should be budgeted into one of the three (?) WPs > led by the Tyndall Centre > > I understand that we could also take a distributed approach where > everyone gives just a little, but I believe the administrative burden > of that would be horrendous. > > Would that work? > > Best wishes, > > Wolfgang > > On 27/03/03 17:27, Mike Hulme wrote: > >> Dear Rik - and other Scenarios WD people, >> >> Following 24 hours of some confusion - and having talked with >> Jean-Charles and Wolfgang (I have tried to raise Carlo Jaeger today >> for clarification, but with no luck, so I am still a little in the >> dark) - it seems you are well on track for developing the WP1.3. >> >> May I therefore make sure you have seen the attached document from me >> which circulated a week or so ago, concerning the role of climate >> information in AMS-Europe. I have seen your comment that WP1.3 >> should *not* be about climate information - historic and future - and >> whilst I can agree it should not necessarily be *primarily* about >> climate information (although it could be if AMS wanted it so), then >> it must at least pay some attention to climate information (otherwise >> we are *entirely* dependent upon whatever climate information other >> people and projects may just happen to produce - and as we know, >> these things rarely happen to conform to people's needs just by >> chance!). There seems to be a need to connect the storylines in >> WP1.1 and economics of WP1.2, including inter alia stabilisation >> pathways, with climate information and this connection is likely to >> be unique to AMS-Europe (i.e., ENSEMBLES is unlikely to re-orient >> itself, unresourced, to do this). >> >> So this is the main thrust of my short set of notes and I hope that >> you can consider these when drafting the WP1.3 - which I have not yet >> seen. >> >> Best wishes, >> >> Mike > > > > -- ---------------------------------------------------------------- Wolfgang Cramer, Department of Global Change and Natural Systems Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research, PO Box 60 12 03 D-14412 Potsdam, Germany, Tel.: +49-331-288-2521, Fax: -2600 mail:Wolfgang.Cramer@pik-potsdam.de, www.pik-potsdam.de/~cramer ----------------------------------------------------------------