cc: rbradley@geo.umass.edu, "Stott, Peter" , Stefan Rahmstorf date: Wed Jul 21 10:32:46 2004 from: Phil Jones subject: Re: Fwd: The Dénouement Is Imminent to: "Michael E. Mann" , schlesin@atmos.uiuc.edu Mike, Mike et al., Thanks for responding and forwarding. I suspect it will just go in one ear and out the other. In the 'Mounting Doubts' section, the text is lifted from that piece by Legates (which I responded to a week ago) and also a piece in the Daily Mail by David Bellamy (who is well described as a conservationalist and TV presenter). See below for what he is professor of. He left academia ages ago. In this Bellamy claimed that if you took all the water vapour out of the atmosphere the temperature would fall 33 deg C. If all the CO2 were taken out it would fall 0.3%. I have his units right ! Is there a universal web site, where all this rubbish gets put? So, when Bellamy writes something, he can just go and parrot what other people have said. I suspect the various drafts of the IPCC chapters will get 'scientists' and 'governments' parroting the same material. They will also resurface when AR4 comes out, but as long as everything is documented we will be in good shape. Keith Briffa heard Bellamy on the radio saying the same thing that 5 research groups had discredited the hockey stick. Bellamy is doing this as he's against wind farms - says they destroy habitats ! Says we should be putting the money to better use by conserving the environment and developing alternative energy sources ! Also says we should be fighting world hunger and providing clean drinking water. Cheers Phil Bellamy is an Honorary Professor of Adult and Continuing Education at the University of Durham and Special Professor of Botany and Nottingham University. At 16:05 20/07/2004 -0400, Michael E. Mann wrote: Thanks for forwarding this Mike, I've forwarded to a few other colleagues who may be interested. As you probably know, "TechCentralStation" isn't a legitimate news site--its an industry-funded front group, which gets most of its money from Exxon Mobile, etc. So in general I don't respond to this sort of stuff. But sometimes it useful that someone do, and I'm glad to see you have... Thanks again, Mike Prof. Phil Jones Climatic Research Unit Telephone +44 (0) 1603 592090 School of Environmental Sciences Fax +44 (0) 1603 507784 University of East Anglia Norwich Email p.jones@uea.ac.uk NR4 7TJ UK ----------------------------------------------------------------------------